The Official 2010 Top 30 lists thread

[Tony-OH]

Ok, this is the thread where you go on record with your top 30 list. I know some of you have already done so in other threads but I like to put together an offical list where you can put down and discuss your lists before our list comes out.

As for our lists, here's the schedule:

10-6 will be published November 1st-November 5th

5-1 will be published 8-12 November

During the week of 15-19 November we will announce two spots each day with 11-12 being announced on Monday the 15th, 13-14 on Tuesday and so on thru 20. We will announce 21-25 on Monday 22 November and 26-30 on Wednesday 24 November.

31-50 (known as players to keep an eye on) will be announced on 29 November.

We will give out two tickets to a 2011 Orioles game to the poster who gets the most selections right out of the top 30. All lists must be submitted by October 31st in order to be eligible for the "contest."

[Enjoy Terror]

1 MI Manuel Machado

2 SP Zachary Britton*

3 OF Xavier Avery*

4 MI Mychal Givens

5 MI LJ Hoes

6 RP Daniel Klein

7 CI Tyler Townsend*

8 SP Matthew Hobgood

9 SP Jesse Beal

10 SP Robert Bundy

11 SP Ryan Berry

12 CI Joseph Mahoney*

13 CI Brandon Snyder

14 MI Jonathan Schoop

15 SP Matthew Bywater

16 SP Parker Bridwell

17 CI Connor Narron#

18 MI Greg Miclat#

19 RP Clayton Schrader

20 SP Cameron Coffey*

21 SP Aaron Wirsch*

22 OF Trent Mummey*

23 RP Pedro Beato

24 OF Ronnie Welty

25 CI Hector Veloz

26 MI Ryan Adams

27 MI Glynn Davis

28 CA Caleb Joseph

29 SP Jake Cowan

30 RP Randy Henry

Thought about what Tony said. Changed things around. Like this list better.

[Tony-OH]

Man this is tough. I have personal opinions about where certain players belong on the list, but to get a list as close to yours as possible... phew. So many questions. *throws up hands*

1 MI Manuel Machado

2 SP Zachary Britton

3 OF Xavier Avery

4 MI Mychal Givens

5 MI LJ Hoes

6 RP Daniel Klein

7 CI Tyler Townsend

8 CI Joseph Mahoney

9 SP Matthew Hobgood

10 CI Connor Narron

11 SP Parker Bridwell

12 SP Matthew Bywater

13 RP Clayton Schrader

14 SP Cameron Coffey

15 MI Jonathan Schoop

16 SP Jesse Beal

17 SP Ryan Berry

18 SP Robert Bundy

19 CI Brandon Snyder

20 MI Greg Miclat

21 CA Caleb Joseph

22 RP Pedro Beato

23 OF Trent Mummey

24 RP Wynn Pelzer

25 OF Ronnie Welty

26 MI Ryan Adams

27 CI Hector Veloz

28 MI Glynn Davis

29 CI Brandon Waring

30 OF Matt Angle

Fringe: Martin, Drake, Henson, Rowell, Cowan, Berry, Henry, Zagone, Wirsch, Sawyer, Ohlman, Dalles, Johnson, Cooney, Hornback, Webb, Schutz, Moore, Spoone, Erbe

You could always submit two lists, one that you think will match mine and your personal list but honestly I think you should just send in your list.

[LookinUp]

This will be harder than last year.

[Crazysilver03]

Man this is tough. I have personal opinions about where certain players belong on the list, but to get a list as close to yours as possible... phew. So many questions. *throws up hands*

1 MI Manuel Machado

2 SP Zachary Britton

3 OF Xavier Avery

4 MI Mychal Givens

5 MI LJ Hoes

6 RP Daniel Klein

7 CI Tyler Townsend

8 CI Joseph Mahoney

9 SP Matthew Hobgood

10 CI Connor Narron

11 SP Parker Bridwell

12 SP Matthew Bywater

13 RP Clayton Schrader

14 SP Cameron Coffey

15 MI Jonathan Schoop

16 SP Jesse Beal

17 SP Ryan Berry

18 SP Robert Bundy

19 CI Brandon Snyder

20 MI Greg Miclat

21 CA Caleb Joseph

22 RP Pedro Beato

23 OF Trent Mummey

24 RP Wynn Pelzer

25 OF Ronnie Welty

26 MI Ryan Adams

27 CI Hector Veloz

28 MI Glynn Davis

29 CI Brandon Waring

30 OF Matt Angle

Fringe: Martin, Drake, Henson, Rowell, Cowan, Berry, Henry, Zagone, Wirsch, Sawyer, Ohlman, Dalles, Johnson, Cooney, Hornback, Webb, Schutz, Moore, Spoone, Erbe

This is a good list.

Based on posts by Tony, I would think Pelzer is out of the Top 30 completely. He agrees Davis was a 2nd-3rd round pick, so even though Hudson is completely off this list, I think Davis falls in the 15-20 range. Welty placed 10th last season, IIRC, and didn't do much to fall to 25th, so I think he is in the 10s as well. Tony is high on Schoop, Givens, and Machado, so I think all 3 end up in the Top 10.

Even though Mahoney had a good season, Tony says most scouts don't see him as a top prospect, so he might actually come in the 10-15 range.

I think the killer B's (Bundy, Beal, Berry) move up a few spots, with Narron and Coffey falling a bit.

I think the #10 spot will go to Schrader because of his ability to move through the system quick.

And I think Tony keeps Britton #1, with Machado #2.

But anyway, this is the hardest list to make in years since most of the players are potential vs. limited results, though you are going to have lots of players that still want to put Adams and Mahoney in their top 10.

[Tony-OH]

This will be harder than last year.

The first two are easy, the next three after that should be fairly cut and dry although the order can be debated, after that, all hell breaks loose.

[Frobby]

The first two are easy, the next three after that should be fairly cut and dry although the order can be debated, after that, all hell breaks loose.

Yep. I think next year is going to be fascinating. There are very few sure things but a lot of guys who could really cement prospect status for themselves or set themselves up for non-prospect status.

By the way, if Snyder and Hobgood aren't in the top five (and Rowell obviously isn't), that means we are 0 for 3 with our 1st round high school picks under Jordan, leaving Machado out of the equation since he has barely played yet.

[Crazysilver03]

Yep. I think next year is going to be fascinating. There are very few sure things but a lot of guys who could really cement prospect status for themselves or set themselves up for non-prospect status.

By the way, if Snyder and Hobgood aren't in the top five (and Rowell obviously isn't), that means we are 0 for 3 with our 1st round high school picks under Jordan, leaving Machado out of the equation since he has barely played yet.

I don't follow this logic, especially with Hobgood.

[waroriole]

Is Bell eligible?

[Crazysilver03]

Is Bell eligible?

Bell is not eligible since he was in the majors for more than 50 games.

[blazer]

1. Machado

2. Britton

3. Hoes

4. Givens

5. Avery

6. R. Berry

7. Schoop

8. Klein

9. Townsend

10. Mahoney

11. Snyder

12. Hobgood

13. Bridwell

14. Beal

15. Bundy

16. Angle

17. Wirsch

18. Coffey

19. Adams

20. Narron

21. Martin

22. Henson

23. T. Berry

24. Moore

25. Waring

26. Joseph

27. Welty

28. Mummey

29. Henry

30. Schrader

[QBsILLEST1]

1. Machado

2. Britton

3. Hoes

4. Avery

5. Givens

6. R. Berry

7. Schoop

8. Bundy

9. Hobgood

10. Townsend

11. Klein

12. Erbe

13. Snyder

14. Wirsch

15. Bridwell

16. Henry

17. Coffey

18. Drake

19. Welty

20. Narron

21. Beal

22. T. Berry

23. Martin

24. Angle

25. Schrader

26. Pelzer

27. Webb

28. Adams

29. Mahoney

30. Sawyer

* Hoes right now is ahead of Avery, but Avery is closing in fast with good performance in AFL after breakout 2010

* Hobgood is still top 10 for me because he still has low to mid 90 MPH heat in him, conditioning/mechanics are holding him back

* Wirsch is still high in my books, his injury wasn't a serious injury and still has projection physically and 2 secondaries that project nicely

* Coffey is behind Bridwell and Henry because of questions in velocity when back from injury. Henry was dominant and unlucky according to FIP

* Like Drake, he quietly progressed nicely in 2010

* Beal is safe, but hopeful upside is fading if he cannot add more to the FB, high floor.

* Tim Berry flashed good stuff and production in a SSS, potential sleeper, and extremely projectable

* Martin's ceiling is pretty high, but command issues will be a red flag until improvement is made, great K's and GB rates though, could be higher in retrospect

* Love Webb's tools and attitude

* Don't love Mahoney, but production and athleticism deserve a top 30 mention in my projection heavy list.......

[Arthur_Bryant]

Some caveats:

* I'm not even going to try to out-guess Tony. This list reflects my personal impressions and preferences.

* More than most here, I put a lot of value on a player being close to MLB, even if the projection is just as a role player. To me, the farther a player is from being promoted to the big league team, the greater the chance of potential going unrealized. (I'm not doing backflips over any of the 09 overslot kids who still haven't pitched 40 innings in rookie ball). Obviously some kids far down the ladder show such talent and high ceiling that they're very valuable regardless of being several years away. But being "here and now" and potentially ready to contribute means a lot.

* I'll freely admit that everything below #10 or #15 is a WAG.

1. Britton

2. Machado

3. Hoes

4. Avery

5. Klein

6. Schoop

7. Givens

8. Snyder

9. Schrader

10. Townsend

11. Mahoney

12. R. Berry

13. Adams

14. Spoone

15. Hobgood

16. Bundy

17. Beal

18. Martin

19. Welty

20. Angle

21. Mummey

22. Joseph

23. Henson

24. Schutz

25. Miclat

26. Narron

27. Peltzer

28. Davis

29. Dalles

30. Coffey

[WietersCorner]

1. Manny Machado

2. Zach Britton

3. Xavier Avery

4. Matt Hobgood

5. Mychel Givens

6. Dan Klein

7. LJ Hoes

8. Jonathan Schoop

9. Tyler Townsend

10. Ryan Berry

11. Joseph Mahoney

12. Bobby Bundy

13. Jesse Beal

14. Brandon Snyder

15. Cameron Coffey

16. Aaron Wirsch

17. Ryan Adams

18. Ronnie Welty

19. Jarret Martin

20. Connor Narron

21. Parker Bridwell

22. Hector Veloz

23. Brandon Erbe

24. Mathew Bywater

25. Greg Miclat

26. Kam Mickolio

27. Caleb Joseph

28. Chorye Spoone

29. Pedro Beato

30. Luis Lebron

[Crazysilver03]

Biggest difference of opinion for me so far.

Feel free to do the same to me. This is all in good fun and for the sake of discussion.

Why do you think Schrader is too high at #9?