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...but I was kind of glad to see him have a subpar performance. The media hype had gotten just ridiculous, as though he was some invincible superhuman pitcher. I think Tom Boswell said it well today:

Perhaps the core quandary of this Series is whether Lee can continue to stay on a par in post-season with Sandy Koufax and Bob Gibson. Or does Lee revert to the mean of an excellent, but hardly immortal career?

Lee has a Cy Young award and precise control that equals any pitcher in modern history. But he's never fanned more than 185 men in a season and only had one season ERA under 3.14. His career ERA of 3.85 isn't a typo either. His record the last two seasons is 26-22, not 46-2 and his ERA is a combined 3.20 - very fine, but not sublime.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/28/AR2010102800164_2.html?sid=ST2010102800341

I'm rooting for Texas in this series, but I hate it when the media gets out of control based on a few games in a couple of short series.

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It's easy to forget he was one of the worst starters in all of baseball in 2007, to the point he was dropped from the rotation. Cliff Lee has been great these last few seasons, and his postseason record, built primarily off of four divisional series starts, speaks for itself. But his career has been far from infallible.

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Every time I looked at Lee on the mound last night, I kept thinking this (explative) is gonna sign with the Yankees after they spit on his wife. What kind of a man IS he?

I want Texas to win, but was glad Lee got knocked around last night.

I think its closer to 50/50. I do think that they like the life down there and more importantly I do believe the new ownership will be willing to pay him way too much money.

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...but I was kind of glad to see him have a subpar performance. The media hype had gotten just ridiculous, as though he was some invincible superhuman pitcher. I think Tom Boswell said it well today:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/28/AR2010102800164_2.html?sid=ST2010102800341

I'm rooting for Texas in this series, but I hate it when the media gets out of control based on a few games in a couple of short series.

Well, it would be like looking at Koufax in 1963 and saying, "Yeah, he's had a couple nice years, but he struggled for a long time and his career numbers aren't good."

Sometimes the media, after going too far in one direction, goes too far in the other direction at the first bump in the road.

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...but I was kind of glad to see him have a subpar performance. The media hype had gotten just ridiculous, as though he was some invincible superhuman pitcher. I think Tom Boswell said it well today:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/28/AR2010102800164_2.html?sid=ST2010102800341

I'm rooting for Texas in this series, but I hate it when the media gets out of control based on a few games in a couple of short series.

I'm rooting for the Orioles vicariously through Aubrey Huff.

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Well, it would be like looking at Koufax in 1963 and saying, "Yeah, he's had a couple nice years, but he struggled for a long time and his career numbers aren't good."

Sometimes the media, after going too far in one direction, goes too far in the other direction at the first bump in the road.

Are you saying Lee is comparable to Koufax?

I do see your point, but in my opinion Boswell has it just right. Lee is "excellent, but hardly immortal." I'd rather have Halladay, Lincecum, Hernandez and a few others on my staff than Lee. He's very good, he's a no. 1 starter right now, he's been on a roll in the post-season for two years, but the way the media has been genuflecting has been over the top IMO.

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Are you saying Lee is comparable to Koufax?

C'mon man, you're better than that.

I do see your point, but in my opinion Boswell has it just right. Lee is "excellent, but hardly immortal." I'd rather have Halladay, Lincecum, Hernandez and a few others on my staff than Lee. He's very good, he's a no. 1 starter right now, he's been on a roll in the post-season for two years, but the way the media has been genuflecting has been over the top IMO.

That may be true, but why didn't he write this before game one?

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There was a poll on ESPN.com yesterday asking who was the best player "in action" that night. I believe the choices were LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Sidney Crosby, Alex Ovechkin and Cliff Lee. Cliff Lee was the overwhelming winner, which I thought was absurd. He is good, but definitely not the LeBron or Ovechkin of baseball. SSS conquers all.

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C'mon man, you're better than that.

No, I wasn't being argumentative, I really wanted to know. On its face, it is not totally ridiculous considering that Koufax basically had 5 great seasons after 7 years of struggling, and Lee has now had 3 very good seasons after being up-and-down for parts of 6 seasons.

That may be true, but why didn't he write this before game one?

Fair enough point. Here's what Boswell wrote after Lee beat the Yankees, and it was pretty high praise, to be sure. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/19/AR2010101900134.html I still don't think this article jumped too far the other direction.

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No, I wasn't being argumentative, I really wanted to know. On its face, it is not totally ridiculous considering that Koufax basically had 5 great seasons after 7 years of struggling, and Lee has now had 3 very good seasons after being up-and-down for parts of 6 seasons.

Ok, fair enough. You can never be too sure around here :)

I was simply pointing out that their careers so far have been similar, to a point. And Boswell made the initial connection.

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