Will Orioles Deal With Mets?

[Stotle]

If they want to rebuild, then they should try to move Wright, Reyes, Santana, Beltran, Perez and Padilla. Good luck to them.

They don't need a full rebuild -- moving one or two players isn't a rebuild. The example I provided could be done and they could still make a run at the playoffs next year with a couple of smart moves and certainly by 2012.

Anyway, your alternative is -- what? -- same ol' same and hope you get lucky? That will be money well spent....

[theobird]

I'll give you this -- I can't deny that NYN might think this way. But if they do, they have almost no chance of winning the NL East any time soon. The "core" they have in place isn't getting it done, and they aren't going to have the cash flow to go out and spend spend spend on FA, let alone extend Wright in three years.

I am with you here to some extent. But I can't help but think that the Mets may want to get Bay's deal off the books in any trade of Wright. I think it may be more realistic to actually take Bay and his contract along with Wright. Jones, Britton, Hernandez and Reimold for Wright and Bay. I'd do that deal, and I could see where it might make sense for the Mets as well.

[Sports Guy]

Moving Beltran shouldn't be difficult if they eat a good portion of his salary.

[TGO]

Moving Beltran shouldn't be difficult if they eat a good portion of his salary.

Beltran has a clause in his contract stating that he cannot be offered arbitration. I believe he has the NTC as well. So they would probably have to eat around 2/3 of it and obviouly get almost nothing back. At that point I think the better play is to keep him and pray he has a good year.

[El Gordo]

I am with you here to some extent. But I can't help but think that the Mets may want to get Bay's deal off the books in any trade of Wright. I think it may be more realistic to actually take Bay and his contract along with Wright. Jones, Britton, Hernandez and Reimold for Wright and Bay. I'd do that deal, and I could see where it might make sense for the Mets as well.

Bay and Wright add $30 M to your payroll. I could think of better ways to spend that, and keep Jones, Britton, Hernandez and Reimold

[SrMeowMeow]

Reyes was a 2.8 win player in a down year. He's 27. This is a great buy-low opportunity. What do you think it would take to get him?

[Sports Guy]

Reyes was a 2.8 win player in a down year. He's 27. This is a great buy-low opportunity. What do you think it would take to get him?

No its not...because you can't "buy low" on him.

They aren't giving him away.

And, on top of that, he is only locked in for next year and while he may sign an extension, it will probably take a foolish one for us to make that happen.

Trading for Reyes makes as much sense as trading for Fielder or AGon.

[SrMeowMeow]

No its not...because you can't "buy low" on him.

They aren't giving him away.

And, on top of that, he is only locked in for next year and while he may sign an extension, it will probably take a foolish one for us to make that happen.

Trading for Reyes makes as much sense as trading for Fielder or AGon.

It is certainly buying lower than if Reyes had put up 10 WAR in 2009-10 instead of 3.7. Buy low doesn't mean buy for nothing, it means lower than you think something's worth. And right now there are question marks around Reyes, which the O's could cash in on if they think the risk is right.

You know what I've just realized...no trade you propose will ever, ever happen. Because every offer you make has some absurd caveat that makes sure that it's always great for the O's, terrible for the other team, and entirely unrealistic. Seriously..."maybe the Mets will want to give away Wright for cheap so they can dump Jason Bay"? I've always thought this was a stupid phrase, but it's too accurate: these are video game trades.

Here's a hint, if what you're proposing never happens in real life, ever, then it's a silly idea.

And the hilarious thing is, it means you'd be an awful GM. You'd overvalue Orioles and sit there paralyzed by indecision, waiting for the perfect trade for assets you value inaccurately. Sorry if this seems harsh, but it just all made sense to me suddenly.

[Sports Guy]

It is certainly buying lower than if Reyes had put up 10 WAR in 2009-10 instead of 3.7. Buy low doesn't mean buy for nothing, it means lower than you think something's worth. And right now there are question marks around Reyes, which the O's could cash in on if they think the risk is right.

You know what I've just realized...no trade you propose will ever, ever happen. Because every offer you make has some absurd caveat that makes sure that it's always great for the O's, terrible for the other team, and entirely unrealistic. Seriously..."maybe the Mets will want to give away Wright for cheap so they can dump Jason Bay"? I've always thought this was a stupid phrase, but it's too accurate: these are video game trades.

Here's a hint, if what you're proposing never happens in real life, ever, then it's a silly idea.

And the hilarious thing is, it means you'd be an awful GM. You'd overvalue Orioles and sit there paralyzed by indecision, waiting for the perfect trade for assets you value inaccurately. Sorry if this seems harsh, but it just all made sense to me suddenly.

LOL..Do you honestly think I give a damn about your pathetic opinion?

[El Gordo]

LOL..Do you honestly think I give a damn about your pathetic opinion?

The fact that you bothered to repond indicates that you did. You are very transparent you know.:laughlol:

[Sports Guy]

The fact that you bothered to repond indicates that you did. You are very transparent you know.:laughlol:

Nah..Just wanted to call him out for being pathetic...it makes things more fun.

[El Gordo]

Nah..Just wanted to call him out for being pathetic...it makes things more fun.

Baloney. That's your knee jerk reaction to any one who has your number.

[Sports Guy]

Baloney. That's your knee jerk reaction to any one who has your number.

He hardly has my number especially since what he said is nothing more than a flat out lie. It was just a pathetic opinion that I called him out for.

Now, stop wasting my time and the board's time with this. Go back to teaching drama to kids so they can then go find a real teacher to undo what you screwed up.

[flashjordnk]

It is certainly buying lower than if Reyes had put up 10 WAR in 2009-10 instead of 3.7. Buy low doesn't mean buy for nothing, it means lower than you think something's worth. And right now there are question marks around Reyes, which the O's could cash in on if they think the risk is right.

You know what I've just realized...no trade you propose will ever, ever happen. Because every offer you make has some absurd caveat that makes sure that it's always great for the O's, terrible for the other team, and entirely unrealistic. Seriously..."maybe the Mets will want to give away Wright for cheap so they can dump Jason Bay"? I've always thought this was a stupid phrase, but it's too accurate: these are video game trades.

Here's a hint, if what you're proposing never happens in real life, ever, then it's a silly idea.

And the hilarious thing is, it means you'd be an awful GM. You'd overvalue Orioles and sit there paralyzed by indecision, waiting for the perfect trade for assets you value inaccurately. Sorry if this seems harsh, but it just all made sense to me suddenly.

Now now you complete miss the boat on this one.

SG, yes would make a terrible GM. But not because he overvalues the Orioles, because he overvalues other teams minor league players.

Remember Christian Colon, a guy he had made some arguments for drafting ahead of Machado at some point? What about all the other minor leaguers he continues to tout. Kila Ka'aihue and his love of Royals (note the trend, maybe SG is actually Dayton Moore).

I'd love to pile on here. But honestly SG...

Do you honestly think I give a damn about your pathetic opinion?

Do you really have to use such nasty language? And if you don't care, why'd you ask a question. A statement, I don't give a **** about your opinion, would seem to indicate on a much larger level that you don't care about what he says. But asking...that does leave the door open to have some indication that you're interested at the very least in knowing if he doesn't care.

But seriously...can we keep this to baseball?

I think a larger point to be made here is that if the Mets are interested in getting away with moving Reyes, AM is a prime candidate to find a way to buy low. He's done a good job either getting maximum value for our guys or going and getting guys that have value from other teams. I think if Reyes is available on the cheap we should take a shot at him.

But I'm not sure if that dude can stay healthy in the long term. I think I'd pass for anything more than a couple of mid tier prospects which as SG points out probably won't get it done.

[Sports Guy]

Now now you complete miss the boat on this one.

SG, yes would make a terrible GM. But not because he overvalues the Orioles, because he overvalues other teams minor league players.

Remember Christian Colon, a guy he had made some arguments for drafting ahead of Machado at some point? What about all the other minor leaguers he continues to tout. Kila Ka'aihue and his love of Royals (note the trend, maybe SG is actually Dayton Moore).

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LOL..I know you like to think you know what you are talking about but this is absurd.

Who do I overvalue? My love for Kila? You really have no idea what you are talking about here...I would say a lot more here but I don't want to get banned. Feel free to PM me if you have anymore issues and I will let you know what i really think.

All I will say is that while I would like Kila, I have said several times that I feel many on here overrate him.