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My worst case scenario would be Overbay 1B, Uribe SS, and Hall 3B. Assuming a career ave. year from each, that would be an upgrade of .177 OPS 1B, .85 OPS 3B, and .182 OPS at SS. We have no where to go but up.:eek::laughlol:

Suddenly, the sun's shining a little brighter! It's time to begin the "Uribe Era." This will be MUCH better than the Irabu era in New York. Or at least a little better.

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Suddenly, the sun's shining a little brighter! It's time to begin the "Uribe Era." This will be MUCH better than the Irabu era in New York. Or at least a little better.
Needless to say I think we can do better than those three. But we are so bad now, at those positions, almost anything would be an upgrade.
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He'd have to be acquired for next-to-nothing. For one thing, the fact that he's still wearing a leg brace worries me. For another, there's no "trade and sign" option with a player in his state. He's either too much of an injury risk to sign for multiple years, or he's on the verge of a rebound in anticipation of re-entering the FA market after next season. I don't see any happy medium wherein the Orioles give up a player (or players) or reasonable value (in this context), and get a more than one-season solution in return.

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I think what he is saying is that part of Lee's troubles in Texas can be attributed to the fact that he is a flyball/strikeout pitcher and Texas is a launching pad. It really wasn't a good match as far as skill set vs. park factors.

That's fair - it's just when I think "elite pitcher" (and this is totally subjective), I don't think about someone who can be so severely impacted by his home ballpark.

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A lot of those less-than-super Texas starts were supposedly because of a bad back. I think you'll have a much easier argument saying that he's more likely to revert to that performance because he'll be 32 next year and back problems don't just go away.

I definitely think he's going to regress over the next couple of years. Talking about his half-season in TX has more to do with whether he was "elite" last year (and possibly right now).

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Number 1 this past season, number 6 in '09, and number 4 in '08. Obviously great, but are you saying that's somehow park-dependent? The only reason I'd argue is because his 2010 was, IMO, one-half of an elite season which was buoyed by a largely-superhuman postseason effort. And he made more starts for Texas (good-but-not-great) than he did for Seattle.

Really, 13 starts with a line of 2.34 ERA, 0.945 WHIP and 14.83 K/BB carried his 2010 season.

You are really grasping at straws here. Over his last 3 entire seasons, he's been one of the best pitchers in baseball. There's no debating that. So what's the issue here? That he wasn't that good before that?

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You are really grasping at straws here. Over his last 3 entire seasons, he's been one of the best pitchers in baseball. There's no debating that. So what's the issue here? That he wasn't that good before that?

You really see no distinction whatsoever between a season like the one Roy Halladay turned in this past season, and Cliff Lee's 2010? None? WAR doesn't tell the whole story.

Cliff Lee was superb in 2008, very good in 2009, and turned in a half-season of outstanding in 2010. He hasn't had "three elite seasons," IMO. This is just where people who're married to things like WAR and people who aren't inevitably butt heads.

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You really see no distinction whatsoever between a season like the one Roy Halladay turned in this past season, and Cliff Lee's 2010? None? WAR doesn't tell the whole story.

Cliff Lee was superb in 2008, very good in 2009, and turned in a half-season of outstanding in 2010. He hasn't had "three elite seasons," IMO. This is just where people who're married to things like WAR and people who aren't inevitably butt heads.

How did you possibly reach that conclusion?

All I'm saying is you can pick apart the individual seasons and break them up all you like, but all together, he's been among the best pitchers in baseball over the past 3 seasons. Even if you don't want to use WAR, that should be clear. Maybe not one of the best 3-5 pitchers over that span depending on the stats you want to look at, but to question his status as an ace is absurd.

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How did you possibly reach that conclusion?

If you call him "elite," you put him in that kind of conversation. And it's a conversation in which he does not belong.

All I'm saying is you can pick apart the individual seasons and break them up all you like, but all together, he's been among the best pitchers in baseball over the past 3 seasons. Even if you don't want to use WAR, that should be clear. Maybe not one of the best 3-5 pitchers over that span depending on the stats you want to look at, but to question his status as an ace is absurd.

I guess saying "he's not an ace right now" is untenable. But given the number of starters around both leagues who're better, IMO, I don't think the acclaim Lee receives is justified.

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If you call him "elite," you put him in that kind of conversation. And it's a conversation in which he does not belong.

I guess saying "he's not an ace right now" is untenable. But given the number of starters around both leagues who're better, IMO, I don't think the acclaim Lee receives is justified.

Well your position is hard to support, and you have yet to do it. I won't be holding my breath either. Have a good night.

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If naming names and posting stats is not supporting a position, then you're right...it's hopeless.

Just saying a bunch of guys are better without actually doing anything to show they are better is not supporting your position. And what stats? All you've shown is one part of one season in possibly the worst possible environment for Cliff Lee to pitch in. WAR, ERA+, FIP, xFIP, K/BB ratio, and IP all show that he's been among the best pitchers in baseball over the last 3 seasons.

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How quick we are forgotten. I did the post "Will Orioles Deal With Mets a couple of weeks ago and over 4,000 were on it. Reyes and Wright were the main pieces of discussion along with Jason Bay as part of a salary move. All of a sudden a couple of people on here are mentioned for coming up with this idea. Interesting. Just add him to our roster with a contract extension and we can all take credit for the idea and look forward to him tearing up the A.L. East in 2011.

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How quick we are forgotten. I did the post "Will Orioles Deal With Mets a couple of weeks ago and over 4,000 were on it. Reyes and Wright were the main pieces of discussion along with Jason Bay as part of a salary move. All of a sudden a couple of people on here are mentioned for coming up with this idea. Interesting. Just add him to our roster with a contract extension and we can all take credit for the idea and look forward to him tearing up the A.L. East in 2011.

I would like Wright because he's signed for quite a while. I'd have interest in Reyes if he had a contract similar to Wright's.

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