Varitek out 4-6 weeks - trade Javy to the Sox

[Jagwar]

Yankees will block

OK, I need the waiver situation explained to me every year. Can't the Yankees only block someone who is ahead of them in the standings from claiming a player?

We need to sticky an explanation of waiver rules to the Orioles Talk forum

[TonySoprano]

Waivers

Waivers just might be the most complicated single aspect of the rules. In the rule book, a waiver is defined as "... a permission granted for certain assignments of player contracts or for the unconditional release of a Major League player ..."

If a player placed on Major League waivers is not claimed by another team during the three business days after waivers have been requested, then the players is said to have "cleared waivers," and the team has secured waivers for the remainder of the waiver period.

And what does that mean? Essentially, the team can do with the player's contract as it pleases. This generally means one of three things:

(1) They can send him to the minors (subject to his consent, if he's a "Veteran Player," more on that below).

(2) They can release him, which makes the player a free agent and thus available to sign with any team.

(3) They can trade him to another team, even if the so-called "trading deadline" has passed. Any trades made after July 31 may only involve players who have cleared waivers.

If a player doesn't clear waivers -- in other words, if he's claimed by another team or teams -- the club requesting waivers may withdraw the waiver request.

If the club doesn't withdraw the waiver request, the player's contract is assigned in the following manner:

(A) If only one claim is entered, the player's contract is assigned to that claiming club.

(B) If more than one club in the same league makes claims, the club currently lower in the standings gets the player.

© If clubs in both leagues claim the player, preference shall always go to the club in the same league as the club requesting waivers.

There are other, more esoteric rules involved here. For example, during the first 30 days of the season, the previous season's final standings are used to determine claim order, rather than the current standings.

Source - ESPN

[CrimsonTribe]

Great Idea. Choi may suck against lefties, but he'd be a good part of a platoon. Better than Javy at least.

vs. RHP 2003-2005

AVG/ OBP /SLG /OPS

.253/.357/.461/.818

To expound on this,

Conine vs. LHP 2003-2005

AVG/ OBP /SLG /OPS

.282/.365/.427/.792

Conine vs. LHP 2006

.268/.360/.464/.824 and only a .697 OPS vs. RHP

Thus, having Choi as one half of a 1B platoon could help us for the rest of the year at least. Worth a shot.

[paulcoates]

Here is a list of the other prospects. Since Choi was DFA's, we can just sign him

http://www.soxprospects.com/

[twoBshorty]

Of course we could trade Javy for Wily Mo Pena! All we'd need to do is throw Adam Loewen in the deal and I'm sure Theo would take it.

I like the Choi idea, though. I find it really unlikely that he's just lost the ability to hit. Include the salary considerations and it seems like a fair deal. Let's just hope that after the Manny/Tejada thing, they didn't put us on their blacklist like other front offices seem to have done.

[paulcoates]

From this list, they are definetely not trading Pedroia or Ellsbury.

The following guys are on their 40 man, so I would have to assume that a prospect on their 40 man wont clear waivers.

3)Michael Bowden, SP - 1st round pick last year

4)Clay Bucholz, SP - 1st round pick last year

7)Bryce Cox, RP - 3rd round pick this year

8)Kris Johnson, SP - 1st round pick last year

9)Chad Spann, 3b - 5th round pick in 2002

10)Brandon Moss, OF - 8th round pick in 2002

11)Justin Masterson RP - 2nd round pick this year

12)Felix Doubront SP - FA signing in 2004

13)Jason Place OF - 1st round pick this year

14)Luis Soto OF - FA signing in 2003

15)Mark Wagner C - 9th round pickin 2005

16)Jed Lowrie SS/2B - 1st round pick last year

17)Kyle Jackson RP - 32nd round pick in 2001

18)Chris Turner OF - 15th round pick in 2003

20)Carlos Fernandez OF - - FA signing in 2004

[paulcoates]

Of course we could trade Javy for Wily Mo Pena! All we'd need to do is throw Adam Loewen in the deal and I'm sure Theo would take it.

I like the Choi idea, though. I find it really unlikely that he's just lost the ability to hit. Include the salary considerations and it seems like a fair deal. Let's just hope that after the Manny/Tejada thing, they didn't put us on their blacklist like other front offices seem to have done.

neither Wily Mo Pena nor Loewen would pass through waiver

[paulcoates]

Taking out this picks from last year and this year (this years guys can't be traded and I doubt they give up on a top 20 prospect in his 2nd year), we are left with these guys

9)Chad Spann, 3b - 5th round pick in 2002

10)Brandon Moss, OF - 8th round pick in 2002

12)Felix Doubront SP - FA signing in 2004

14)Luis Soto OF - FA signing in 2003

15)Mark Wagner C - 9th round pickin 2005

17)Kyle Jackson RP - 32nd round pick in 2001

18)Chris Turner OF - 15th round pick in 2003

20)Carlos Fernandez OF - FA signing in 2004

[paulcoates]

Chad Spann was an eastern league allstar (Double A), so I would imagine he is out.

[paulcoates]

10)Brandon Moss, OF .770 OPS with 10 HR's 396 AB's K:83 BB:39 in Double A

12)Felix Doubront SP 40IP .82 WHIP K:BB ratio 30/7

14)Luis Soto OF .679 OPS with 4 HR's 170 AB's K:42 BB:7

15)Mark Wagner C .859 OPS with 7 HR's 320 AB's K:48 BB:40

17)Kyle Jackson RP 63.1IP 1.29 WHIP K:BB ratio 86/40

18)Chris Turner OF .791 OPS with 17 HR's 373 AB's K:134 BB:34

20)Carlos Fernandez OF .859 OPS with 2 HR's 94 AB's K:17 BB:13

[paulcoates]

10)Brandon Moss, OF .770 OPS with 10 HR's 396 AB's K:83 BB:39 in Double A

12)Felix Doubront SP 40IP .82 WHIP K:BB ratio 30/7 in Rookie Ball

14)Luis Soto OF .679 OPS with 4 HR's 170 AB's K:42 BB:7 - Class A (mostly)

15)Mark Wagner C .859 OPS with 7 HR's 320 AB's K:48 BB:40 - in Class A

17)Kyle Jackson RP 63.1IP 1.29 WHIP K:BB ratio 86/40 - mostly Class A

18)Chris Turner OF .791 OPS with 17 HR's 373 AB's K:134 BB:34 - Class A

20)Carlos Fernandez OF .859 OPS with 2 HR's 94 AB's K:17 BB:13 - Class A

[paulcoates]

I would say to target one of these 3 guys:

15)Mark Wagner C .859 OPS with 7 HR's 320 AB's K:48 BB:40 - in Class A

17)Kyle Jackson RP 63.1IP 1.29 WHIP K:BB ratio 86/40 - mostly Class A

20)Carlos Fernandez OF .859 OPS with 2 HR's 94 AB's K:17 BB:13 - Class A

Soxprospects.com has these guys rated as C prospects. We may want to go with Wagner since we have no catcher in the system (outside of Snyder)

[Why Not?]

Here is a list of the other prospects. Since Choi was DFA's, we can just sign him

http://www.soxprospects.com/

Your assuming no other team would/could work out a deal with the BoSox for Choi. He's not a free agent yet.

[paulcoates]

would any team trade for a AAA 1b who is hitting .207?

[orioles119]

would any team trade for a AAA 1b who is hitting .207?

I guess the O's would, right?