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Roch: AM isn't putting on a show for the fans by making offers he secretly hopes are turned down


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I normally get that every year as a Christmas present for my wife (just so happens she takes me to Opening Day with her!). I heard last year they were thinking about not doing it anymore. I guess $100 per ticket for the left field bleachers is money the Orioles don't want? :rolleyes:

I swear this organization does things on a daily basis to intentionally piss off the fan base!

You didn't like the surcharge to buy tickets the day of the game? Doing away with the scalp free zone? Raising ticket prices to premier games by 25%. I wonder what they have in store for the fans this year.

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I just cannot imagine that AM will allow himself to fail at obtaining his stated #1 objective of getting a big bat for the middle of the lineup for the third straight offseason. And not a Garrett Atkins type. A guy with a proven power track record. Whether it's a stupid contract to Pena, DLee, Reynolds, Konerko, whatever. He's going to get some kind of bat.

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I would have loved to have had Dunn's bat in the lineup, but overreaction is what people around here do best.

Still, this is an important offseason. I am expecting some changes and if they don't happen, I'll also be leaning toward finding another GM.

As Weams said, AM targeted him as a DH, which I am on record as being for, so I thought the offer was fair.

This is the last offseason I give Macphail. If he doesn't do something to upgrade this team for the present and future then I am done. Period.

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Um, because its LESS money than he could have gotten with the Nats for 3 years. Come on Hank, you're better than this.

I think you're underestimating the importance of length of contract to these players.

There's no harm in placing a value on a player and making an offer. When the offer was made, I'm sure AM had no idea what the rest of the market would bear for Dunn. Given what he does and what he was making last year, it wasn't a lowball offer on it's own valition.

Obviously, Kenny Williams overpaid for Dunn - to Williams, his bat is worth 4 years and $56 million. To MacPhail it wasn't.

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As Weams said, AM targeted him as a DH, which I am on record as being for, so I thought the offer was fair.

This is the last offseason I give Macphail. If he doesn't do something to upgrade this team for the present and future then I am done. Period.

I don't think MacPhail is great but you have to give him, at least till the end of the year.

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I think you're underestimating the importance of length of contract to these players.
Would you seriously work an extra year at another job for less money than at your current job, all things work-wise being equal? Not to mention that you could have made more money in less time at your current job.
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What is even funnier is that the players being signed are not players most of us want. As you say, Dunn is half a player and the O's want a 1B who can hit and...wait for it...actually play 1B. Crazy I know.

Can we just wait until the offseason, or at least the Winter Meetings, is over before we start hanging MacPhail and Buck in effigy?

I agree with what you are saying here, but I just don't understand why they let out that they made an offer to Dunn.

In today's market, a 4/40 offer is bordering on ridiculous. I think that type of offer gives the impression to agents and other players that we aren't serious.

I think that some moves will be coming up shortly and I'm hopeful that they make an impact on this team. I just don't understand the rationale of this Dunn announcement.

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I think you're underestimating the importance of length of contract to these players.

There's no harm in placing a value on a player and making an offer. When the offer was made, I'm sure AM had no idea what the rest of the market would bear for Dunn. Given what he does and what he was making last year, it wasn't a lowball offer on it's own valition.

Obviously, Kenny Williams overpaid for Dunn - to Williams, his bat is worth 4 years and $56 million. To MacPhail it wasn't.

Why waste your time then. No one is accepting a below market deal to play for the Orioles. Rather than focusing on a move that he really wants to make he sends offers to guys he has no chance of getting.

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I think you're underestimating the importance of length of contract to these players.

There's no harm in placing a value on a player and making an offer. When the offer was made, I'm sure AM had no idea what the rest of the market would bear for Dunn. Given what he does and what he was making last year, it wasn't a lowball offer on it's own valition.

Obviously, Kenny Williams overpaid for Dunn - to Williams, his bat is worth 4 years and $56 million. To MacPhail it wasn't.

I'm not talking about the final deal with the Sox. I agree we should not have gone anywhere near that. I am talking about a less money deal than what he ALREADY REJECTED from the Nats.

The fourth year is meaningless unless we were offering MORE money. Dunn could have accepted the Nats deal, retuired after the third season of the deal, and STILL had an extra $5 million than what we offered! That's just an assanine bid from MacPhail!

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Wait, why would you NOT sell holiday ticket packages??? Even if no one but Dipper buys them, what's the harm?

By the way, I said yesterday that 4/40 wasn't quite a joke of an offer but it was close. But I didn't remember the 3/45 offer from the Nats. So, I'd like to revise my statement: 4/40 is an absolute joke of an offer.

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Would you seriously work an extra year at another job for less money than at your current job, all things work-wise being equal? Not to mention that you could have made more money in less time at your current job.

That's Apples and Oranges, Tony... but I get the point.

It'd be a different strain of pissing and moaning around here if it was reported that MacPhail didn't bother to even extend him an offer. Hell, people would be whining about him not doing enough wining and dining if he had offered more money and Dunn landed in Chicago. We've seen all of this BS in the past.

I'm just sick of the whining.

There are still plenty of opportunities for AM to upgrade the roster. If he hasn't done that come February, I'll be right there along with everyone else.

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