Orioles Payroll is a Slap in the Face to Fans

[BrunoCherrytown]

I'd rather have a payroll of 45 million then give a guy like Werth 120 million. Its about how you use the money, not how much you spend. Look at the Mets high payroll, bad record. Then there is a team like Tampa, low payroll, successful squad. You can't just throw money away.

To compare MacPhail to Friedman is an insult to Friedman. I'm not saying you are though. We aren't the Rays and our GM isn't close to as good as their's.

MacPhail doesn't have an international presence, serious scouting and player department, and his method for building a farm system ain't even in the same universe as Friedman.

Admiring how the Rays built their system is one thing. We don't spend big money and they don't spend big money. Thats where the comparison ends.

They can't spend seriously...we can and don't.

And how we've spent the little we do has resulted in annual last place finishes and next year 'hopes' for improved performance.

[BaltimoreTerp]

You are absolutely correct about the hard salary cap!

Baseball would be much better with it.

As long as Dud Selig is impersonating as the comish it will never happen.

It will take some brass ones to get it done and he has anything but.

Guys like PA and Loria, etc., don't want it. They are making too much $$$$$$.

Skanks and Sux would never go for it.

Butt, it would be the best thing to happen to baseball in the past 30 years!

You obviously don't know what a salary cap is, or what any of the effects will be, positive or negative.

[FLBird]

You obviously don't know what a salary cap is, or what any of the effects will be, positive or negative.

Why don't you enlighten us . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . and maybe you can use the NFL and NBA as examples to show the possible effects.

[Orioles West]

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Figured it was appropriate...

Aye, it was. There has to be an award for the least amount of effort put into a complaint.

-Don

[isestrex]

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[eb45]

Why don't you enlighten us . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . and maybe you can use the NFL and NBA as examples to show the possible effects.

The economics of baseball are so radically different from any other sport that a salary cap may not be the best thing for MLB. A limit on salary doesn't mean a limit on revenue, and certainly not on spending money. The Yankees, Red Sox, et al. would still spend tons more than the Orioles, Rays, Marlins, and Pirates of the league, they would just spend it in different ways, ways that would essentially close off talent avenues for other teams.

For example, with a salary cap in place, the Yankees and Red Sox could put up ridiculous posting fees for Japanese players, bonuses for drafted players and international amateur FAs. As one-time expenses, none of those would count towards a cap, but the large-market teams would still be able to outspend all the other teams by virtue of their greater resources.

Imagine if the Yankees had a 60 million dollar budget for the draft. They could practically sign every talented player who drops to them due to signing demands. Then, with the absurd surplus of talent they would get from their utter domination of the talent pools, they could trade for established talent and essentially field an all-star lineup every year while still staying within the salary cap limitations.

There could be ways to fix those problems as well, but you just can't compare baseball to the NFL and NBA because it's so much more complex economically. Simply proposing a hard salary cap is not the answer.

[BaltimoreTerp]

Why don't you enlighten us . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . and maybe you can use the NFL and NBA as examples to show the possible effects.

Based on your other posts, it's just a waste of my time.

Maybe if you prove yourself a little more.

[TradeAngelos]

C Wieters (400K)

1B LaRoche/Lee (8m) *PROJECTED*

2B Roberts (10m)

3B Reynolds (5m)

SS Hardy (6m)

LF Pie (700K)

CF Jones (3m)

RF Markakis (10.6m)

DH Scott (6.5m)

C/CI Fox (400K)

C Izturis (1.5m)

MI Harris (1.75m)

OF Reimold (400K)

Hitters: 46.25m (Including $8m for LaRoche/Lee: 54.25)

SP Guthrie (5.5m)

SP Matusz (1.4m)

SP Bergesen (400K)

SP Arrieta (400K)

SP Tillman/Britton (400K)

RP Simon (400K)

RP Berken (400K)

RP Patton (400K)

RP Johnson (600K)

RP Vanden Hurk (400K)

RP Uehara (5m)

RP Gonzalez (6m)

Pitchers: 21.3m

Roster Total: 66.45 (including $8m for LaRoche/Lee: 74.45)

Buyouts:

Hendrickson (200K)

Atkins (500K)

Received $500K from Twins

2011 Projected Payroll: $66,650,000 (including $8m for LaRoche/Lee: $74,650,000)

2010 Actual Payroll: $73,812,500

Add to this the fact that the Orioles have allegedly offered Kevin Gregg $8-10m for two years.

Check out Cot's if you seek any more information on salaries.

Funny how this was ignored.

What say the apologists with that number? Acceptable?

Utterly ridiculous with the revenue pouring in for the last 5 years from MASN.

[crissfan172]

Funny how this was ignored.

What say the apologists with that number? Acceptable?

Utterly ridiculous with the revenue pouring in for the last 3 years.

Funny how you ignore that this offseason isn't over yet and the payroll will likely be higher than last season's. There won't be a drastic increase until this team proves it can compete.

[tilgaham]

To compare MacPhail to Friedman is an insult to Friedman. I'm not saying you are though. We aren't the Rays and our GM isn't close to as good as their's.

MacPhail doesn't have an international presence, serious scouting and player department, and his method for building a farm system ain't even in the same universe as Friedman.

Admiring how the Rays built their system is one thing. We don't spend big money and they don't spend big money. Thats where the comparison ends.

They can't spend seriously...we can and don't.

And how we've spent the little we do has resulted in annual last place finishes and next year 'hopes' for improved performance.

Have you posted anything positive in the last month? I don't even think I've seen a smiley.

[BaltimoreTerp]

Funny how this was ignored.

What say the apologists with that number? Acceptable?

Utterly ridiculous with the revenue pouring in for the last 5 years from MASN.

Which is...?

[isestrex]

Funny how this was ignored.

What say the apologists with that number? Acceptable?

Utterly ridiculous with the revenue pouring in for the last 5 years from MASN.

MASN can't completely make up for Camden Yards sitting empty 81 games a year (well... minus all the Yanks and Sox games naturally). Why should we expect big spending after a decade of poor ticket sales?

Right now they have young cheap talent. If they can start to win with that young cheap talent, the park will fill. If the park fills, that young cheap talent will start to be surrounded with expensive talent. But you can't spend what you don't have.

[TradeAngelos]

Funny how you ignore that this offseason isn't over yet and the payroll will likely be higher than last season's. There won't be a drastic increase until this team proves it can compete.

You are assuming we will spend more, what if we don't? Then what? And you act like topping the $74 million from last year is some great acheivement when our rivals spend damn near TRIPLE that.

And you need to spend money to compete in the AL East, period. Not the other way around.

We could add Fielder, LaRoche AND Lee tomorrow and STILL be under/around $100 million. That is where we should be.

Could we compete then? Oh that's right we will never know now will we.

Focus on that word "never" too, because as long as the team is under the current ownership we will never spend even remotely close to what is needed to "compete". Ever.

[crissfan172]

You are assuming we will spend more, what if we don't? Then what? And you act like topping the $74 million from last year is some great acheivement when our rivals spend damn near TRIPLE that.

And you need to spend money to compete in the AL East, period. Not the other way around.

We could add Fielder, LaRoche AND Lee tomorrow and STILL be under $100 million. That is where we should be.

Could we compete then? Oh that's right we will never know now will we.

Focus on that word "never" too, because as long as the team is under the current ownership we will never spend even remotely close to what is needed to "compete". Ever.

Yeah...Angelos is so cheap that the Orioles once had the highest payroll in the majors. :rolleyestf:

Until this team is ready, spending big cannot and will not happen.

[scOtt]

The Visionary.

Nice seats!