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I usually try to stay out of these, but I was listening to XM earlier and a bunch of callers were whining about the Reds. Long story short, it came up that the Reds don't see Alonso in the OF at all, that the experiment failed badly, and Votto has him blocked, so they are thinking about trading him this offseason.

What about a Tillman for Alonso swap? Both highly touted, both coming off down years. I hate to trade Tillman, but as they were talking about problems the Reds are having with OF, at some point you have to trade guys to make room for other guys if they aren't the answer. Guts, Matusz, Bergy, and Jake make a good first 4, with Britton coming up soon.

So anyways, it got me thinking should we dent our young SP depth a little to try to trade for a 1B prospect who may or not make it, but can't where he is now.

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I would make that trade but does Cinci?

Right now, they have 6 starters and I doubt they will be trading any of them anytime soon.

So, while you could always use a very good arm, do you trade one of your best chips for something that you may need really need right now?

I could see Cinci trading Alonso and a guy like Leake for a TOR starter but not sure I see them trading Alonso for a mid rotation guy, even if he is young and has a lot of upside.

How highly do the Reds think of Scott? Does Scott, coming off of his great year, fetch you Alonso? I doubt he does but I don't think its some unfair deal either.

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Don't we already have Yonder Alonso?.....His name is Brandon Snyder.

Snyder minor league OBP: .342

Alonso MiL OBP: .368

Snyder MiL SLG: .437

Alonso MiL SLG: .458

Alonso has been touted by scouts as a much better player, with much better plate discipline. So, how do we already have Alonso?

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I would make that trade but does Cinci?

Right now, they have 6 starters and I doubt they will be trading any of them anytime soon.

So, while you could always use a very good arm, do you trade one of your best chips for something that you may need really need right now?

I could see Cinci trading Alonso and a guy like Leake for a TOR starter but not sure I see them trading Alonso for a mid rotation guy, even if he is young and has a lot of upside.

How highly do the Reds think of Scott? Does Scott, coming off of his great year, fetch you Alonso? I doubt he does but I don't think its some unfair deal either.

Really?? You don't think Scott with a .857 OPS over 6 ML seasons doesn't get you a prospect whose posted a .825 at AAA and has so far been unsuccessful in the ML's

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Snyder minor league OBP: .342

Alonso MiL OBP: .368

Snyder MiL SLG: .437

Alonso MiL SLG: .458

Alonso has been touted by scouts as a much better player, with much better plate discipline. So, how do we already have Alonso?

I'm missing something in re: Alonso's appeal. His minor league numbers are pretty good, but not mindblowing.

.290/.362/.458 with 15 HR and 69 RBI between AA and AAA? Alright...what have scouts actually said about his upside? IIRC, a lot of the discussion about Alonso has centered on his probably not hitting for enough power to stick at 1B.

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Really?? You don't think Scott with a .857 OPS over 6 ML seasons doesn't get you a prospect whose posted a .825 at AAA and has so far been unsuccessful in the ML's

As I said, I don't think its unfair..But the thing you are leaving out is the service, contract and salary differences.

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I'm missing something in re: Alonso's appeal. His minor league numbers are pretty good, but not mindblowing.

.290/.362/.458 with 15 HR and 69 RBI between AA and AAA? Alright...what have scouts actually said about his upside? IIRC, a lot of the discussion about Alonso has centered on his probably not hitting for enough power to stick at 1B.

From what I've read, alot of scouts expect his power to develop soon. It's certainly a chance you're taking in whether or not it does develop. But, you're also taking a chance if you assume that Tillman develops into an average ML starter; or that Scott can continue to give you an .850+ OPS.

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As I said, I don't think its unfair..But the thing you are leaving out is the service, contract and salary differences.

So help me understand. You would trade our best hitter (team MVP 2010) for a prospect to save money?? And that makes us a more competative team in 2014??? Certainly Scott for Alonso would not make us better for 2011.

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From what I've read, alot of scouts expect his power to develop soon. It's certainly a chance you're taking in whether or not it does develop. But, you're also taking a chance if you assume that Tillman develops into an average ML starter; or that Scott can continue to give you an .850+ OPS.

Is he the sort of player we could pencil is as a 1B for next season (i.e. let him develop in the big leagues)? I agree in re: there being risks on both sides of a trade. I'd be much more willing to trade Tillman than Scott in this instance, though. Of course, that has much more to do with personal bias (I haven't been impressed by Tillman/not optimistic about his potential) than it does objective analysis.

I guess my issue would be...with Tillman, there are redundancies in place. It's him, Arrieta, Bergesen, potentially a veteran signing, maybe Britton, etc. He doesn't man a position in which his production is vital. However, if Alonso is expected to carry weight in the majors and falls flat, we're looking at another pretty dismal year from 1B.

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