Palmoripken
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14 hours ago, JR Oriole said:
I was very sorry to hear about this. 57 is too young.
I will never get over the 1997 ALCS. As Orioles fans, we simply don't get the opportunities to compete and win in the playoffs that most other teams do. So every chance we get is absolutely huge. That '97 team was as good a team as we have had in my lifetime. Not getting to the World Series that year was an incredible disappointment. I never blamed Tony Fernandez though....he wasn't even supposed to be in the game. Bip Roberts got hurt.
I will always blame Armando Benitez. He was unclutch as hell every time he got to October and he cost us that series with three back-breaking hits to Grissom, Alomar Jr, and then Fernandez. Guy was a mental midget under pressure.
'97 was the year. I was ten. Wire to wire. It also was the year Cal moved to 3rd for good. I remember his offense numbers were down, he hit a home run in that ALCS and I went crazy since I was a huge Cal fan. 1996 with Maier hurt because the Yankees and all that but '97 really stung the most because that series in Turner in May really felt like it could have been a World Series preview. I was so looking forward to seeing my favorites: Cal, Brady, Robbie, Raffy, and all face Atlanta's big 3 on the big stage. Turned out we got Cleveland-Florida which was a great World Series in itself but man what if. Sandy Alomar always seemed to have our number as I recall. He was the one that broke up Mussina's perfecto. Closest I ever got to watching one was that one.
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4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:
And their due includes signing JJ to that second extension.
I'm not saying that tehy didn't make mistakes Corn but a single person that was responsible for the 2012-16 run. Yeah the Hardy extension was a mistake but trading for him originally was not. I was just saying that I think MacPhail by trading for Hardy deserves credit because the two guys we traded him for were relievers. Hardy gave us some good years. I'll be the first to agree with you that the extension was a mistake. There were a lot of mistakes made then which is why we are where we are.
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That makes a lot of sense considering that Elias really values shortstops and JJ is someone who experienced the playoffs with the O's and isn't too far from the guys in age. It's weird talking about Hardy in the past tense like this though. I liked JJ. I give Buck and Duquette their due but Andy MacPhail made some shrewd trades Brett Jacobson and Jim Hoey for Hardy and Brendan Harris was one of those. Plus you had to like JJ the man himself. Great move on the FO's part to bring back some old names that the guys who would know.
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2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:
So great grandfather?
Yep. That’s right.
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Just now, OsFanSinceThe80s said:
There’s no doubt Jeter belongs in HOF, but it’s also not wrong to suggest Jeter might have been better off playing another position on defense.
Precisely.
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1 minute ago, tntoriole said:
130.4 WAR to Jeter’s 72. 8 batting titles. First induction class in Hall of Fame.
Also a friend of my dad’s grandfather haha but yes Honus really was a special talent.
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1 minute ago, tntoriole said:
Honus Wagner says hello!
Honus would be my pick.
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Just now, Frobby said:
The show was a Jeter slobberfest. Made me ill, actually. Costas: “you could create an argument that Jeter wasn’t the greatest shortstop of all time.” Yes, but you couldn’t create any reasonable argument that he was the greatest shortstop of all time.
Yeah Jeter belongs but the ignoring of his subpar defense at a key position bugs me. People don’t seem to get that you can be overrated and be a HoFer, Jeter is that. I would have voted for him but he’s not the greatest shortstop ever.
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Just now, Can_of_corn said:
So does Grich.
Yes he does.
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Just now, Frobby said:
Ha, 396 of 397.
I laughed. Jeter belongs but still.
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Can’t hurt to get him some sessions with some guys he’ll probably be in battery with at some point in the future. Even in LL, I definitely had catchers I liked working with more than others.
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11 minutes ago, wildcard said:
Bochy didn't know that he could be offered to manage a WS team. Will that chance his mind?
That’s true. Definitely changes the equation.
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6 minutes ago, wildcard said:
Bochy seems to be the only on the managers list that is more qualified than Buck. But does Bochy want the job?
I thought I read somewhere that Bochy wasn't interested in managing this season. Bochy definitely has the best resume of anyone out there though. I never thought of him as anything particularly great in San Diego but the 3 championships in SF I think say something to him as a strategist in the postseason but I don't know his philosophy.
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Just now, ShaneDawg85 said:
I'd be inclined to agree...if there wasn't a good argument to be made that a lot of it was Buck's doing. I know he wasn't the GM, or the owner, but it's hard to argue that a lot of the moves that were made that contributed to the dumpster fire weren't from Buck's influence or preference in players. It's impossible to assign blame to one person, but Buck's fingerprints were all over that team, and I acknowledge I'm still fully butt hurt and bitter about two years ago, but he lost a lot of luster in my eyes because of it. If he gets another job then great, good for him, but if he doesn't I won't be surprised, and can't say I disagree with it.
Oh I know. I'm not saying he wasn't to blame for what happened. It's that I would feel bad for Buck if that was his last year in the show. I mean yeah I totally hear ya about two years ago. Going from being in the ALCS and four years later you're not even winning 50 games. It was ugly and it's why we are rebuilding now.
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2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:
Didn't Buck run interference for players (Jones) that didn't want to listen to the O's analytics team?
I'm not sure. I think Bill's point was that even the old school guys do some analytics stuff even if they're not quite doing all the stuff that the self described analytics guys do. I do remember Jones saying he didn't believe in the new school though. One of the things that always amused me was that Joe Morgan whose stature as a player has risen to Sabermetric analysis as always putting down Moneyball and Billy Beane when Lewis's book first came out. I think Jones probably like a lot of guys grew up hearing the tired cliches that a lot of us did from our coaches. You know the whole "Can't get on base if you don't take the bat off your shoulder". I think the smart thing for Houston might be to find a sort of caretaker manager for this year and than find a guy that fits their philosophy more in the fall but that's just my opinion based on where we are in the offseason.
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Caught some MLB Network last night. Billy Ripken made the point that Buck as a Minor League manager back in the day was doing analytic stuff and made the argument that even the guys who are regarded as old school like Buck use analytics in their managing to some degree. In football, we talk a lot about coaching trees, I wonder if in MLB there could be said to be an organizational tree. I was thinking about the Oriole Way when I was reading the Brooks Robinson book and I found myself wondering about who and what inspired a lot of Earl's strategies which as we know were pretty groundbreaking for their times. I'd be happy for Buck if he got another shot though. Going out on 47 wins isn't a fun way to go.
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8 minutes ago, Frobby said:
So far, with 103 posters voting, the OH poll is running more favorable to the Astros than the MLBTR poll. The former has 57-58% saying the punishment was about right, with 7-8% saying too heavy and 33-34% saying too light. In the MLBTR poll, it’s running 43% about right, 8-9% too heavy, 48-49% too light.
My theory on why the OH posters have been more lenient so far is that the Orioles weren’t much affected by the Astros’ cheating. We were lousy in 2017-18, weren’t in the playoffs, and weren’t in the Astros’ division. I bet if you broke down the votes in the MLBTR poll, the Dodgers and Yankee fans skew heavily to “too light.”
What's made this tough for me to decide is the lack of precedent. We all know about the 1951 Giants but that came out years later after Leo Durocher was deceased. I think your hunch is right though. We were not heavily impacted by what happened.
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I would like to go. I’ve never been. My uncle/godfather lives in Venice and is probably the biggest baseball fan in the family after myself.
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16 hours ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:
I know this thread is intended for recent ex-Orioles, but Don Larsen passed today. He lost 21 games on the inaugural Orioles team of 1954, and is better known for throwing the only perfect game in World Series history for the Yankees in 1956.
Legend has that he was hungover the day he pitched the Perfecto. In any case, RIP to an original Oriole and legend. The 1956 World Series perfect game and the image of Yogi hugging Larsen will always be an iconic baseball moment even if you hate the MFY.
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Got a biography on Brooks. Just got to where Hank Bauer was hired as manager. Reading about Paul Richards building the Oriole way from scratch is making me hopeful for what Elias might be able to do. Plus Brooks really is Mr. Oriole and I say that as someone who idolized Cal in the 90’s.
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I’m excited about him. He’s young so a lot of his habits will be taught by the new regime although the old one drafted him.
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55 minutes ago, OrioleDog said:
They are tough. In middle age I appreciate keenly that the hometown announcers are perhaps more marketing department than chroniclers. It didn't seem as much that way to me growing up and I'm honestly not sure if things were really different then, or just my perspective was.
I do get that but I just have watched enough games where we did the split team with their team not to be impressed by Carpenter and Santangelo as announcers.
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46 minutes ago, eddie83 said:
I think an announcer can be pro team but also not a over the top homer. Whining about calls constantly gets old as well as defending poor play.
Exactly. It's obvious that Palmer loves the Orioles but he's not afraid to criticize.
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39 minutes ago, Frobby said:
When the Nats arrived I told myself they’d be my NL team. I mean, why not have one? For several years, I was part of a group that held season tickets to the Nats and went to about 5 games a year. And though I enjoyed going to those games, I could just never get passionate about the Nats. I gave the tickets up when they jacked the price up by 67% a couple of years ago. I haven’t paid to attend a Nats game since, though I’ve gone to a few when I was invited. And the only time I watch them on TV during the regular season is if “O’s Extra” ends and they switch over to the Nats game. If that happens, I’ll sometimes watch for an inning or so. But I dislike their announcers, so I won’t watch long.
Carpenter and Santangelo make it hard for me. I get not everyone has a guy with Palmer’s years of experience and insight but those two always gave me a Hawk Harrelson like vibe.
RIP to an old nemesis
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Yeah the Pirates had a brief renaissance that ended up being nothing. It's weird given they beat us twice in the WS but the Pirates are actually the closest I have to a NL team- long story but they haven't won a playoff series since they beat us in '79 I want to say. Because remember when they lost to the Reds in the 90 ALCS and later the Braves in the 91/92, that was before the Wild Card.