Maverick Hiker
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Nice win tonight. It would've bothered me to lose to a mediocre team like Tampa again. The offense is coming around, two 13 run games and now this.
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3 hours ago, 24fps said:
And those uppity ballplayers could use a hefty dose of good, old-fashioned pre-FA fiscal discipline too. Show me one ballplayer who was ever exploited by a team owner in the golden age of pro baseball before free agency. Owners had class in those days.
So did players. Al Kaline once refused part of his salary because he had a bad year. Today's millionaire players would never think of doing that. The owners should be able to put clauses into contract such as if you hit .160 like Davis is doing then the owner has the right to void the rest of the contract or buy it out for 25% value.
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3 hours ago, DrungoHazewood said:
I was under the impression that the NFL has a hard cap, and also players who make more than any Major Leaguer by quite a bit.
The best way to keep a $10B industry from paying its employees as much as 42% of revenues would be to starve it. We should all boycott MLB. That'll show 'em.
Even if you really believe that the world is better off with ballplayers making 5%, 10% (?) of revenues. We're never going back there. MLB players pull in a smaller percentage of revenues than any other major US sport. If anything the next CBA will see that go up. I'll pay to watch good baseball players. I'd be less inclined to pay $30 a ticket to see the Angelos boys lighting cigars with $100 bills.
NFL players have shorter careers than MLB players on average, and the danger of injury in the NFL is much greater. Also the average NFL player makes about 75% of the average MLB player's salary,.
I am old enough to recall the days before free agency started. The game was fine then and in many ways better than today. Teams stayed together and players didn't expect contracts for millions of dollars per year for years after they retired. You may have no problem with your ticket money going to pay Chris Davis 1.4 million when he's 50 but I do. Yes I'd rather my money go to Angelos to build the team rather, than to pay Chris Davis far more than what he deserves.
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I'm sorry but this kind of contract shows what is wrong with MLB. Things were better before free agency started and these ridiculous contracts. I am reluctant to even go to a game to help pay for this type of contract. It may be worth shutting the game down for a year or two for the owners to attain a new collective bargaining agreement. One that includes a hard salary cap and other measures that would help restore some sanity.
"The Orioles will pay Davis $3.5 million on each July 1 from 2023 to 2032 and $1.4 million on each July 1 from 2033 to 2037. Davis will be 51 on July 1, 2037, "
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4 hours ago, leapinghorsered said:
If he refuses to retire in order to collect what's left on that huge contract, i would make him earn every penny of it. I'd play him every inning of every game. He is blocking no one and the team has at least two, probably three more seasons of being horrible. It doesn't matter if he plays or not. If he wants his money, he plays. I would think he'd get sick of embarrassing himself at some point.
That is an interesting idea, I had not thought of it from that angle. If warming the bench doesn't make Davis think about retiring, playing him in every game while he hits .150 might. That would be humiliating letting his team down every night especially if they batted him cleanup and he left tons of runners on base.
On the other hand that would pretty much guarantee the Orioles would lose more than 120 games and break the 1962 Mets modern record for losses. I don't want to see that happen and playing Davis is not a way to maximize chances to achieve victory which is what the manager is responsible for.
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I can recall Tony Horton.
https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/e1dbb148
From what I read, he apparently attempted suicide while playing with the Indians and was institutionalized. He was told to sever all ties with MLB for his own mental health. Initially the Indians said he would miss the 1971 season but return in 1972. He never returned after he left at age 25.
The theory is that he was always trying to please his perfectionist father. Once near the end he crawled the last few steps back to the dugout after hitting a pop up for an out.I think he was even living with his father as recently as the early 2000's.
The bright side is that he has been fairly successful after MLB. He refuses all interviews bout his baseball career, does not want anything to do with it.
,278 27 HR 93 RBI in 1969, and another good year in 1970 with limited games. It's a shame retiring at age 25 when he was on the verge of stardom. But he just couldn't take the pressure and probably did the right thing, if playing had driven him to attempting suicide.
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20 hours ago, LA2 said:
The daily humiliation, the responsibility for wasting a roster spot and helping one's team to lose. The disgrace of looking like a pig in that 5-star hotel and front-row dugout seat and clubhouse while dragging one's teammates down, the constant implicit poke at the front office's past stupidity and present paralysis. All disgrace is relative to one's position in the world. The Rich & Famous commit suicide too.
Sadly I am reminded of Mike Flanagan. When someone fails at a job (as I believe Mike did as Orioles GM) and is let go, that can bring on despondency.
Perhaps it is better to walk away on one's own, ,before having to be told to do so. If I thought I was about to be fired I would quit. Many managers , after failure, are giving the option of resigning or being fired, and they resign. Better for one's mental health.
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Best reason to keep Davis at this point is this: He is doing so poorly that perhaps he will quit in return for a partial buyout of the remainder of his contract.
If the Orioles release him, there is zero chance for them to avoid paying that ridiculous contract. Even if there’s only a 25 percent chance he retires, it may be worth waiting The team could initiate talks with him retiring
If I started performing very poorly at my job and did not improve I’d be shown the door. Besides I would not want to stay and make mistakes and embarrass myself and not carry my weight so I’d retire to avoid that.
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1 hour ago, 99ct said:
That would be nice, but I’m pretty sure we’ve been over this and decided there was no precedent for this, nor would the MLBPA be totally cool with it. I guess one can always hope though.
Ryne Sandberg retired from the Cubs and said his performance was so poor he could not expect the Cubs to pay his salary. Although he did come back briefly some years later, he did walk away and left money on the table. Davis should too, if he can't pull his weight.
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Those are valid reasons to let Davis go. However there are also reasons to keep him.
*Hope that he will start hitting again like he did after he hit .192 for Texas.
*Big money owed on his contract. Releasing him would mean paying him while he sits at home cashing the checks..
*If he continues to hit like a pitcher, he may be ashamed and be willing to take a buyout and retire and the Orioles could avoid paying full price for the rest of his contract. Releasing him now would eliminate that possibility.
*On a rebuilding team of youth he could help teach the younger players the ropes.
*Name recognition for the fans. Some occasional fans don't like going to a game and not recognizing any names in the Orioles starting lineup.
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2 hours ago, Moose Milligan said:
Barry Bonds started using PEDs after the '98 season. It was a direct response to the McGwire/Sosa adoration that was going on at the time. Bonds knew he was the far superior player and wasn't getting the love and attention that he felt like he deserved. So he decided to get on what they were on and show everyone just how good he could be. And while I'm not endorsing PED use when I say this...I get it. I completely get it. Being a world class talent like that, feeling slighted and seeing two guys you see as inferior getting all the attention, know they're not doing it clean and just saying...well, if that's what you're gonna do...!#%^ you, I'll show you.
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Is Davis still here?
Yeah a few years ago in a 13-0 game I'd be sure Davis hit a HR or two. Now the team does it and he is not even in the boxscore. It's got to be embarrassing for him and I hope he agrees for. a deal for a buyout of his contract. He agrees to retire if the team pays 50 percent of his remaining contract.
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2 hours ago, atomic said:
Nope he started in 2000. That is why the whole he isn’t in the HOF is BS.
Bonds does not belong in the HOF.
Lack of character and he damaged the game by going on steroids and becoming a far greater player than he should have been in his late 30's. He made a mockery of the game and I hope he never gets close to the hall without buying a ticket. Same with Clemens, McGwire, Sosa, all the cheaters.
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So I see Davis wasn't in the lineup again tonight. I was kind of hoping he'd hit a couple of HR when I saw 13-0. Guess I'm living in the past...I mean if he isn't being played I wonder if the end is near.
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6 hours ago, ChuckS said:
Richie Sexson was a prolific slugger in his 20's and stopped hitting at age 32. Ryan Howard also at 32. Adam Dunn fell off a cliff in his 30's. None of them as bad as Davis. But a hard decline in the early 30's is a common theme among these lumbering first basemen.
Almost as if you could have seen this coming when we signed him as a free agent.
And Boog Powell was washed up at age 34. I guess it's a chance you take when you sign someone entering their 30's to a long term contract.
Also the PED makes people think that sluggers typically last to age 40. Those who were on the juice like A-Rod, Bonds, had prolific years in their 30's. But clubs should not look at them when deciding to award a long term contract. What a mistake by the Orioles.
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Yeah I guess Davis just is washed up earlier than most. I looked up Dale Murphy and he actually hit .252 with 18 HR when he was 35.
Nothing like when he was in his prime, but I'd take 18 HR and .252 from Davis now. Then Murphy hit .161 and .143 his last two years in very limited playing time before the Rockies gave up on him and he was released.
At least Murphy's teams stopped playing him when he started hitting like a pitcher.
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25 minutes ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:Either start pumping him up full of roids or end this experiment.
I don't understand what happened. Was Davis on steroids when he signed the contract and now he's off of them, and reverting to his natural ability of hitting .150? Or maybe he suddenly just lost it, like Dale Murphy completely stopped hitting when he was in his early 30's and was released.
I think the Orioles benching Davis may shame him into a buy out deal. This has got to be embarrassing and humiliating for him. Maybe he agrees to retire if the Orioles pay 50 percent of his remaining contract, something like that.
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Anyway can't take take a strike for the last out, go down swinging if you must go down.