Reboulet'sStache
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He may end up getting lit up and then never heard from again. But it's clear that he was viewed as a just add water ready piece to add to a major league rotation, and the fact that we traded him for a rental who wasn't going to make a difference, is just a horrible of limited resources. Trade all of our prospects for all I care, but not for these kinds of returns.
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Parra, since joining the Orioles: .211/.268/.316. He's actually been worth negative WAR. We gave up one of our top prospects for the privilege of hurting our team, both in the future and the present.
Small sample size, sure, but we're at the point of the season where there are only small samples left. It was pretty much a coin toss on who would perform better between Snider and Davies with only a couple months to play. Just a terrible trade.
This is not just hindsight either. The indicators were there: career year inflated with an unsustainable BABIP. It's surprising that he has been this bad, but not that he's regressed significantly.
It was just a horrible, indefensible trade the second it was announced.
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Please point out where I said he'd sign below market value.
Are you serious? Read what you are writing. Read your post under this one. You're saying that, when he hits the open market, another team will outbid the O's, meaning that is his actual market price. Which means, if he agrees to forgo the open market and sign during the window, he is throwing away millions of dollars, because now the " big market team" can't "go over market value to pull him away." The poster was asking you why he would be willing to do that, and you said because he likes Baltimore.
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Because he likes his experience in Baltimore, or any of a myriad of other reasons?
Again, there is a difference if he doesn't hit the market. There would be no competition they'd have to outbid.
I don't get why in this situation, ignoring context is seen as the more accurate means of evaluation.
So two months in Baltimore is going to make him throw away millions of dollars so sign below market value? The crab cakes are good, but I'm not sure they are THAT good.
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This doesn't make much sense to me. If they sign him before he hits free agency, it's a direct result of the trade. If would have been impossible without the trade.
Free Agency is not some great mystery. He isn't signing for anything that isn't near his market value during the negotiating window.
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Disagree. If they traded for him with the intention of signing him, then whether they sign him should absolutely factor into the trade.
You could sign him in the off-season without trading for him. Trading Davies had nothing to do with signing him. The trade was only so you can get him for 2 months.
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If we could lock up Parra in the offseason' date=' I think this is a great trade. What would it take? 3/33, 4/40? Overpay, underpay?[/quote']
Could we not have signed him the off-season without the trade? Whether we extend him or not, in the end, we traded for 2 months of him. They trade should be judge based purely on that.
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Hate the trade.
DD is really going to need to be a mad genius the next few years for us to have a chance to compete going forward.
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If he loves basketball, you only live once. God bless anyone that has enough talent to be drafted at TWO sports...amazing to me.
When I first got into sports, it didn't seem that crazy. It wasn't common, but it wasn't uncommon either. Bo, Dion, Brian Jordan, Charlie Ward (although he didn't play in the NFL), Danny Ainge. It wasn't until years later when those careers ended and nobody replaced them, that I realized how crazy difficult it is.
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I wouldn't necessarily say it ends his chances. But I'm not going to lose any sleep over him at this point.
Wasn't he an extremely raw baseball prospect? Three years from now he will be 25-26 years old. At that age, and being as raw as the scouting reports said he was, you don't really have any chance to make it in baseball.
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Bottom line, I am going to forget about Pat Connaughton becoming a baseball player, and if he shows up in a few years, we will see if the time away has cost him his chance to be a major leaguer some day.
Yeah, he will be lucky to hang around the league more than 3 years, but that's enough to all but end any chance he has at baseball.
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One, Re read the thread to see how wrong you are. Two, this is a terps board. Troll that. Ryan kelly=worst player in the league.
Re-read what? Your posts all involve Duke in some way. I hope you were doing it on purpose, because it's a good job. I'd be disappointed if you accidentally did it. And this isn't a Terps board, this is a minor league board.
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So to just recap my opinions in this thread. Pat got drafted mid 2nd rd. Ryan Kelly sucks! We can't be too hurt that he won't play for us. There's a reason he was available in the 4th rd. Oh and Duke sucks too.
Still can't tell whether you actually wanted to talk about Connaughton, or if you wanted to use the thread as a springboard to tell everybody how much Duke sucks. Which means it's as good of a troll job as there can be, intended or not.
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The only time I think I have ever seen a batter get hit by a pitch and the batter didn't go to first was Albert Belle with the Orioles. I can't remember if it was because Belle refused to go, or, and I think it was for this reason, because the umpire said he made no attempt to move and ruled the at bat continue.
I remember that. I think Belle ended up doubling into the gap to clear the bases. And yeah, it was because Belle refused to take the base.
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EdRod I was vehemently against the second it was announced. Arrieta I was overjoyed the second it was announced. I was so sick of Jake I never wanted to see him again. But it it concerning that he got so good after leaving us.
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If someone uses a 2nd round pick on him, he could use his baseball leverage to make sure money and years are guaranteed.
I doubt it. NBA teams aren't really that worried about second round picks.
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Are you saying that getting on base a lot isn't a desirable end? I'd say Eddie Yost had a pretty fine career despite being a one-tool player, with that one tool being getting on base via the walk. Really, the single most important skill for a position player is not making outs.
I'm a big OBP guy. I think it best correlates to offensive production. But Nick had so many other things working against him at the plate, that he just isn't very productive. He has no power, and can't move around the bases. So it doesn't matter how high his OBP gets (within reason), he isn't going to correlate to a very good offensive player. Look at him right now: .390 OBP, .2 oWAR. If you just focused on the OBP, which I think some people have been trained to do, you'd get out your checkbook to pay for that.
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He's doing a nice job that way.
This is where fans got too wrapped up in OBP. Instead of being the means that best correlated to a desirable end, it became the desirable end.
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Scheyer also suffered a very serious eye injury, which is why he's no longer playing and is sitting next to K as an assistant. Mason Plumlee improved greatly over for years and is now a good NBA player. Miles Plumlee went from 3* recruit to 1st round pick. You'd have to be a blind hater of Duke to not acknowledge they develop and produce NBA talent unlike UNC, whose last all-star was Antawn Jamsion, who was drafted nearly 20 years ago.
Anyway, Connaughton or something.
I like Mason Plumlee. He's a great bench player. Could probably start for a team that didn't have a Lopez type in front of him.
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though I wouldn't dismiss his chances entirely.
If John Starks can make it in the NBA, anybody has a chance.
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Yeah you're right. Ryan Kelly is good and underrated. That's why he is around 300th in all Player Efficiency Ratings in 2015 and a career FG% of 33%. That's with averaging 20 minutes a game and really getting to show what he could do. But who needs stats?
Connaughton has way more of an upside than him. Fact, because every current player in the league does. Your boy will just end up in the same spot as other Duke 1st team ALL ACC players such as Austin Rivers, Jon Scheyer, Lance Thomas, both bumlee's. Can't bring those college refs with you.
At this point I can't tell if you actually wanted to argue that Connaughton has NBA upside, or if you're just using a thread about a college basketball player to seize the opportunity to go on an anti-Duke tirade.
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I'd submit that Connaughton is bigger and more athletic than Redick. I don't think you can count him out just on those factors. His bigger problem is that he's not the pure shooter that Redick is, or that most NBA shooting guards are.
Exactly. Redick is one of the greatest pure shooters ever in college basketball history. That allows him to hang around the league. Connaughton is not the shooter Redick is. So while he is bigger and more athletic relative to Redick, he isn't compared to the rest of the league.
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I'm a lifelong Duke fan so I'm biased, but that was a tad unnecessary.
I'm not trashing Kelly.
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Why would you trash Ryan Kelly for no reason?
1. This was only his 2nd season, not 4th
2. He's a PF who can shoot. With the way the NBA game has evolved, every team would gladly take a guy like that.
Just because he went to Duke doesn't mean you have to trash him.
Kelly is also 6'10+ who can shoot the three. In the NBA, size will always allow you to hang around.
Whoops, I missed your points 1 and 2 when I first read it.
Orioles trade Davies for Parra. Your verdict?
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From the day it was announced to today, at no point was this not a horrible trade.