I was using them as an example of how difficult a position the O's are in and how, I think, they are going to have to do something out of the box to have any chance. My really out of the box idea is to sign kids who aren't currently ready for the majors to very team friendly long term deals with the idea that learning in the majors will benefit their career over the long term while saving the team money for other moves. Does that approach have the potential to be a disaster?  Yep.