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Bieber and Karinchak from Cleveland. Maybe for Hays or Santander or Mountcastle and a mid prospect
Cease for Westburg, Povich and Beavers
sign Matt Chapman for 3rd for 2 years
Burnes
Cease
Rodriguez
Bieber
Kremer/Means/Bradish
Kimbrel
Cano
Karinchak
Perez
Wells
Culombe
Tate
Irvin
Rutschman
Mountcastle
Holliday
Henderson
Chapman
Hays/Santander
Mullins
Cowser
Kjerstand
McCann
Mateo
Urias
Stowers
O’Hearn
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I’m almost certain that Ortiz and Hall were not the only guys discussed with the Brewers. If we can get Devin Williams without including Holliday, Basallo, Mayo, Westburg, and one of Cowser/Kjerstad, then I’d be up for it.
I would then get Montgomery or Snell which cushions the blow if we can’t get Burnes back for 25 and beyond.
Kremer, Mountcastle, Hays expendable for right player(s).
Norby, Kremer and Hays for Williams would be nice
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Go back to Brewers and trade them Austin Hays and Dean Kremer for Devin Williams.
Then sign Montgomery or Snell
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I would love to see who of those listed are Boras clients
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If we are to believe the ratings, which are subjective and preliminary, Martinez at 55 would slot in no worse than 7th of O’s prospects and Sanchez no worse than 11th.
All of this based on MLB App Prospect ratings.
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Trade Santander for Bieber
Sign Blake Snell 7 years, $210 million-I know it will not happen
Trade Ortiz, Kremer and Cowser for Devin Williams.
Snell, Bieber, Rodriguez, Bradish, Means
Williams, Kimbrel, Cano, Coloumbe, Hall, Wells, Tate
Rutschman, Mountcastle, O’Hearn, westburg, Henderson, Holliday, Urias, Matteo, McCann, Hays, Mullins, Kjerstad, Mayo, McKenna
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I wonder what this regime would have accomplished with the prospect that was Dylan Bundy, or if he was the guy we would have gone after in the first place
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What about expanding it to include Emanuel Clase? Santander, Kremer and Beavers for Bieber and Clase?
After 2005 (when Bautista has been back for a year), we can possibly trade Clase for a prospect.
We can still trade (Cowser or Kjerstad), Povich & Bascome for Burnes.
Rotation would be solid with
Burnes, Bieber, Rodriguez, Bradish & Means
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Jim Palmer mainly because he appeared in every World Series in Orioles history
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6 minutes ago, RVAOsFan said:
I was thinking more like Prieto and McDermott or Rom. MLB pipeline has those prospects as 45’s. Norby and Povich 55 and 50
Agreed and Cionel Perez
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11-7, 140 innings, 3.40 ERA, 9.0 K/IP, 2.8 BB/IP
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2 hours ago, Sports Guy said:
Some interesting stuff in this article.
Eastern Conference
East Division
Boston Red Sox
New York Mets
New York Yankees
Philadelphia PhilliesNorth Division
Cincinnati Reds
Cleveland Guardians
Detroit Tigers
Toronto Blue JaysMid-Atlantic Division
Baltimore Orioles
Charlotte expansion team
Pittsburgh Pirates
Washington NationalsSoutheast Division
Atlanta Braves
Miami Marlins
Nashville expansion team
Tampa Bay RaysI think I would make a couple of changes. I think Toronto should go to the East (Northeast) Division. Then Pittsburgh should go to the North Division. Philadelphia should then be in the mid-Atlantic. I think I could be convinced to swap the Charlotte and Nashville expansion teams. Although it may work better if it was Charlotte/Nashville/Louisville in the mid-atlantic and New Orleans in the Southeast.
The other divisions, I suppose would be:
Chicago White Sox, Chicago Cubs, St Louis Cardinals, Milwaukee Brewers
Kansas City Royals, Houston Astros, Texas Rangers, Minnesota Twins
Seattle Mariners, Colorado Rockies, {Las Vegas} Athletics, San Francisco Giants
Los Angeles Dodgers, San Diego Padres, Anaheim Angels, Arizona Diamondbacks
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15 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:
Povich is too high but that gives us 11 different guys who have been on top 100 lists this offseason.
Another forgotten prospect who can give us 12 players is Seth Johnson, depending on how he comes back from TJ as he should still be considered a prospect. Also a good distance away but can only wonder where Luis Almeyda fits in, in regard to our top 30 list.
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42 minutes ago, wildcard said:
1. Grayson - Has the stuff to be an ace but probably a year away from being able to pitch the innings to be a true ace.
2. Bradish - After watching this guy in the the 2nd half he has the stuff, size and mentality to be a #2.
3. Hall - Stuff is there. If he goes to AAA and finds the control ...watch out.
4. Kremer - 3.23 ERA maybe he should be higher. He would be killer #4.
5. Means - Could be a 2 or 3 but just coming back for injury it might take some time to re-capture his full command.
What do you think?
I agree with those five but with two rookies, two guys in their second year and Means coming back from injury, we will be sure to see a six man rotation at that point and that means either Gibson or Irvin will be the 6th. My bet is Irvin, with Gibson going somewhere via trade.
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I think Mateo at shortstop is ideal for 2023 over bringing in somebody else for a variety of reasons:
- Holliday is our future shortstop, maybe as soon as mid-2024. So we don't need a long term contract on a shortstop.
- Based on 1 above, no point in playing Henderson at short for a year and a half when it is likely that his future is at 3rd base with Holliday at shortstop.
- DEFENSE. His defense will result in less hits and more double plays which means more outs and less pitches for our pitchers. His range does wonders for our pitching staff.
- He and/or Urias will have value as utility guys when we have Westburg/Norby, Henderson and Holliday in the infield. Of course, Ortiz and Westburg/Norby can fill the utility role by mid-2024, if not sooner.
- Not sure he has great trade value.
That said, if we can get good value in a trade for Mateo and we won't lose anything defensively between Ortiz and Mateo, I'm all for trading him to get better starting pitcher.
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6 hours ago, Frobby said:
Assume there are approximately 3,450 plate appearances available between the three OF spots and 1B and DH. How many of those will go to:
Mullins (672 last year)
Santander (647)
Mountcastle (609)
Hays (582)
McKenna (172)
Stowers (98)
Frazier (121 at those spots for the Mariners)
O’Hearn (145 for the Royals)
Rutschman (97 at DH)
Others
Recall that Mancini got 411 PA last year before he was traded. “Others” who got PA last year in these spots included Vavra (52 at these spots), Nevin (46), Aguilar (49) and numerous others getting an occasional day at DH.
Mullins 675
Santander 625
Mountcastle 525
Hays 575
Rutschman 125
Stowers 425
McKenna 125
Frazier 75
Moustakas 300 (bring him in to platoon at 1b/dh)
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I know this won't really be a huge impact, but I think the left handed bat to replace the O'Hearn/Diaz carousel could be Mike Moustakas. His OPS is certainly much better against righties than vs lefties. I think he could be a solid guy off the bench, platooning a bit with Mountcastle and can fill in a role at DH too.
He shouldn't cost much since Cincy is on the hook for his $22M he is still owed.
Thoughts?
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3 hours ago, Sports Guy said:
Overrating means you think he’s better than he actually is. The value I see people placing on Lopez has gotten out of hand (I’m not just talking about this site when I say that)
He is basically a 3.5 WAR guy over 162 games. I think Mullins is better than that and I don't think his replacement is necessarily here. I would have liked this deal more when there were good options out there to replace him. Not sure that still exists.
Lopez, who I really like, replaces Wells/Means at this point and holds Hall out of the rotation for the year assuming team health. I would prefer to jettison Gibson but that's not happening. Considering health, I would rather roll with Rodriguez, Bradish, Kremer, Means, Gibson/Wells/Hall (to see what we have in Hall) and keep Mullins than bump one of Bradish, Kremer or Means or go with a 6 man rotation and have McKenna in centerfield with more DH time for Frazier/McCann/Urias.
If we got Lopez for Stowers or preferably Hays, I'm good there. Would have been ok with Mountcastle for Lopez if Josh Bell was still available. Otherwise, I roll with what we've got. Probably win around 70-74 games this year but get a ton more questions answered for the future. Signing Eovaldi for a year or Wacha at a lesser amount is about the only starting pitching move I would make if we aren't going top tier.
Mullins defense helps the pitchers and defense is about 70% of the pitching stat line.
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3 hours ago, PHRESH said:
I'd love to add Cookie, but I doubt you get 32 starts. Technically, he's only done it once (2017), the only year he's reached 200 IP. That being said, he pitched fairly well last year and managed 29 starts and 152 innings.
The 32 was meant more as scheduling for 32 starts, essentially being one time through the rotation. If he misses a few starts that is when Voth and Hall get a spot start, depending on who is up when we need them. Didn't really mean to imply he would get 32 starts.
The next 5 guys, would rotate through the 2, 3 & 4 spots. If any miss starts, maybe one of those guys can pick up the extra spot starts or, again Voth and Hall.
The last spot could be split someway between Lugo/Stripling going one+ time through the lineup and/or match-up, etc. and the other relieving. They could also take turns starting for a few times through and the other in the bullpen and spot starting. When Means is ready, he would send both Lugo and Stripling to the bullpen unless they are needed to spot start. Having 5 solid relievers and 9 guys as starting options would be truly ideal since everybody is so young and might have innings limits.
Carrasco and Gibson are free to leave as a free agent in 2024 and we have growth from the other 7 guys (Rodriguez, Means, Bradish, Wells, Hall, Kremer, Voth) while still having Lugo and Stripling.
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I was thinking of posting same thing. Is Hays too little? Is Santander too much? Either way trading one of them and having an outfield of Stowers, Mullins, Hays/Santander would be at least status quo. Maybe add a lefty OF/DH until Cowser is ready. Rutschman can dh against lefties where the lefty acquisition sits. Perhaps when Westburg comes up, Urias is part-time DH, also. Maybe Michael Brantley could be that "affordable" one-year left-handed bat.
To "solve" the rest of the pitching, I would go with two swing-men on two year contracts to give flexibility and help with limiting innings as needed. I would sign both Ross Stripling and Seth Lugo.
Our pitching would then be:
Carlos Carrasco -- 32 starts
Kyle Bradish, Kyle Gibson, Tyler Wells, Dean Kremer, Grayson Rodriguez - 20 starts each
Seth Lugo, Ross Stripling, John Means - 10 starts each
There will be some injuries/set-backs. Guys like DL Hall and Austin Voth will be there to fill-in and work out of the pen. By 2024 all of those guys should be able to up their workloads and Lugo and Stripling can fall back into full-time bullpen roles and spot starter.
Nobody would be taxed and the bullpen would be fairly loaded. When the guys above don't start they will work out of the pen.
It also wouldn't restrict us from making a deal if the right starter comes up at the break.
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Of course the difference between Mateo and Correa is very much based on which version of each that you are getting, for one. Is Correa really 5.4 WAR or is he the 7.2 WAR player over 162 game average. Is Mateo the 3.4 WAR that he showed last year or the 2.1 WAR he has shown over a 162 game average in his career. Now Mateo was a different player in a different role than he was when he was putting up putrid results in 2021 and before. But it isn't difficult to imagine that Correa has twice as much value as Mateo. And they are basically the same age.
Secondly, at least for 2023, Mateo can settle in at 2nd base or Urias can and it is the improvement over Odor that is more the result. And if one of Mateo or Urias can net us something in a trade that would be great. Perhaps Mateo, Correa, Henderson, is 2nd-3rd with Urias as a utility until Holliday is ready. Then guys like Norby, Ortiz and Westburg can be very good trade chips (along with Santander or Hays) that help bring back the likes of Pablo Lopez. Then you are talking about adding Lopez and Correa instead of Lyles and Odor and still not really breaking the bank. Could still sign Jameson and a quality bullpen arm.
Thirdly, whatever you want to believe about Correa, what I really like about him is how he understands the game, especially the extreme analytics. He gets it better than most players do. Watch an interview with him. Read some of the stuff he has talked about in regards to analytics. He will help other players understand it and get better as well.
Now it is a lot of money and 7 years would be better but imagine having a team of Rutschman, Holliday, Correa, Henderson, Cowser and Mullins with other high upside parts throughout the lineup for the next 5 years, at least. Stowers, Mountcastle, Kjerstad, Mayo will either progress or we have to acquire other guys to fill those spots. Either way that is a good competitive offense.
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13 minutes ago, RZNJ said:
I wouldn't mind Verlander for sure but easier said than done.
NO WAY Mountcastle and Tate gets you Pablo Lopez and Sixto Sanchez.
Ok then no Sanchez. Or change Mountcastle for Santander or Hays, still no Sanchez.
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What would everybody do this offseason?
1. I would sign Justin Verlander. Elias was with Houston when they brought Verlander in. Maybe there is a connection. He is the Ace pitcher to bring in this year.
2. Trade Mountcastle and Tate to the Marlins for Pablo Lopez and Sixto Sanchez.
3. Sign Seth Lugo and Will Smith for the bullpen. Shouldn't cost a ton but will solidify the bullpen.
4. Sign Josh Bell to play 1st base. Switch hitter with pop and on base ability.
Rotation:
Verlander, Lopez, Rodriguez, Bradish, Kremer/Means (when ready). Keep Verlander and Lopez on 5 man rotation but the other guys swing between rotation/bullpen with guys like Lugo/Hall/Voth/Wells to lessen the innings burden, especially when Means gets back.
Bullpen:
Bautista, Perez, Lugo, Smith, Baker, Akin, Hall/Voth/Wells/Khrebel (these guys can be swing-men)
Lineup:
cf-Mullins
lf-Hays
3b-Henderson
C-Rutschman
1b-Bell
dh-Santander
rf-Stowers
2b-Urias
ss-Mateo
I would prefer to trade Urias and/or Mateo and/or Hays and/or Santander for one better high quality hitter with Ortiz, Vavra, Westburg, Cowser and perhaps Kjerstad on the horizon. The offensive improvement comes from full seasons of Rutschman & Henderson and Bell over Mountcastle and potential trades around break if the prospects are ready. I'd love to take a chance on somebody like Bellinger or Gallo who may benefit from the new shift rules.
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3 hours ago, wildcard said:
There are plenty of negatives if that is the way you want to go. But there are a lot of positives if things fall right. Adley is a major upgrade. Tyler Wells to the rotation. Grayson up in May. The infield is unsettled. We don't know what Urias, Mateo and Owings will bring. Bautista throwing 100mph. Baker given a chance may be part of the pen. Lopez could be great out of the pen. Bradish should be near ready.
Overall health is a big deal. Healthy Mancini, Hays and Santander could be big. Mountcastle could hit 40 homers. He was on that pace in the 2nd half of 2021. Mullins is an All-Star and does not have to regress. Westburg, DL Hall, Stowers and Ortiz could all be in the majors in the 2nd half.
I don't know how much of this pans out. All I can say is its too early to know what will happen. When a young team gels anything can happen.
But who cares? Let's say all of that happens and we win 80 games (likely impossible). What does that do for us? In our division that is 5th place and haven't done much to bridge the talent gap. Everybody talks about how far our minor league system has come (which it has) but how many young star players do we have compared to our competitors? The ideal way to look at things is look at each of our competitors projected depth charts for 2025. We are miles behind with the youth and prospects those in our division have now. We have to get more major league ready players and not be so worried about 2022 or even 2023.
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Santander for Devin Williams?