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1 hour ago, wildcard said:
You always do a great job with this. One nit. You have 27 active players and they are only allowed 26.
I will look forward to your OD post when the final roster is announced.
Right, you are -- thanks for the correction and the compliment.
I replaced Jahmai Jones with D.J. Stewart on the 10 day IL. That brings the opening day roster to 26 and the ODP to $48.57M.
This is pretty, pretty, complicated so, check me out.
The chart is available on Google docs at:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1r9rXsnRddT87SU72o4a0Jn6q_fIDbi3Dxlu_9OZiqCo/edit?usp=sharing
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I've updated the ODP chart for the signing of Maikel Franco and I've projected that he'll start the season at the Bowie alternate site.
I've also projected those players that start the season on the IL. Taking account of each of the preceding, I've made some changes to the opening day roster (ODR). I'm projecting the ODR to be composed of 13 pitchers and 13 position players.
The ODP chart also represents my projected salaries for the pre-arbitration players on the ODR. Though the Orioles have assigned those salaries, I have yet to find a web publication with those 2021 player salaries. I'd appreciate help locating that information.
The chart is available on Google docs at: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1r9rXsnRddT87SU72o4a0Jn6q_fIDbi3Dxlu_9OZiqCo/edit?usp=sharing
My current projected ODP (using my guesses as to the opening day 26 man roster) is $49.15M. That figure does not include the $10M that the O's are obligated for this year as a result of the Alex Cobb trade.
Chris Davis's salary still represents just a hair under 1/2 my current ODP.
All help and replies appreciated -- thanks
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I've updated the ODP chart for the arbitration ruling on Santander. The chart is available on Google docs at: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1r9rXsnRddT87SU72o4a0Jn6q_fIDbi3Dxlu_9OZiqCo/edit?usp=sharing
My current projected ODP (using my guesses as to the opening day 26 man roster) is $46.63M
Chris Davis's salary still represents just a hair under 1/2 my current ODP.
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I've updated the ODP chart for the trade of Alex Cobb. It's available on Google docs at:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1r9rXsnRddT87SU72o4a0Jn6q_fIDbi3Dxlu_9OZiqCo/edit?usp=sharingMy current projected ODP is $46.82M
Chris Davis's salary represents just a hair under 1/2 the current ODP.
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With the Freddy Galvis signing, the ODP is now projected at $61.25M
Anthony Santander's projected salary is the midpoint between the Orioles' offer and Santander's ask pending the arbitration hearing where the arbiter must choose either the team's offer or the player's ask.
The updated chart is available on Google docs at:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1r9rXsnRddT87SU72o4a0Jn6q_fIDbi3Dxlu_9OZiqCo/edit?usp=sharing -
On 12/17/2020 at 7:54 PM, Frobby said:
This article exemplifies a lot of the "fake news" seen in publications on the web.
From the title: "Every Orioles Player Born in Maryland"
Really?
From the article the context is clear:
It's not every player; it's the 23 players from the current MLB Orioles era-- 1954 to present
"Also worth noting" -- those not worth noting are part of "every"
"coached for the Orioles" -- the listed coaches were not "player"-coachesWhere's Drungo on this?
http://www.milb.com/milb/history/top100.jsp?idx=35
"From 1872 to 1902, Baltimore fielded teams in five different major leagues." -- (True, that the earlier teams did not carry the Orioles name); for this post, I'll ignore the major league Baltimore Terrapins of the 1914-15 Federal League; so named because the minor league Orioles were concurrently playing in Baltimore. Here are some of the Maryland born gentlemen who played for a Baltimore major league team from 1872 through 1901:
Les German
Frank Foreman
Bobby Mathews
Buttercup Dickerson
Jake Evans
Bill Keister
Tom Quinn
Lou Say
Sam TrottAnd what about:"From 1919 to 1925, the International League's Baltimore Orioles put together the most impressive dynasty the minors had ever seen." So, here's just a few of the Maryland born major leaguers who played for the "Baltimore Orioles" in the International League:
Jack Bentley
Lefty Grove
Fritz Maisel
Dick Porter
Allen Russell
Babe Ruth
Butch Schmidt
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35 minutes ago, Number5 said:
Do the few remaining surviving players get free medical insurance now?
As Drungo suggests -- there needs to be some refinement as to which of the professional Negro leagues are to be designated as "major leagues".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negro_league_baseball#Per this article
https://www.pjstar.com/sports/20190628/the-man-who-beat-man-who-beat-man-brings-negro-league-history-to-peoriathere were 56 surviving former Negro League(s) players as of June 28, 2019.
As to MLB medical insurance coverage for the survivors, let's see if the MLB owners put their money where their "mouths" are.
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3 hours ago, wildcard said:
OK, but we don't know if the equivalent is really the measure being used. In reality he did not pitch 130 innings n 2020. Its your chart so I am good either way. Nice work.
Wildcard:
I think it's fair to "assume" that, if the contract terms for annual salary were adjusted proportionately for the shortened season, then, all other contract terms were adjusted in the same manner (with the possible exception of the deferred accrual for 2020).
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Wildcard:
Here's what I see for Alex Cobb on the COTS website:
4 years/$57M (2018-21)
signed by Baltimore as a free agent 3/21/18
18:$14M, 19:$14M 20:$14M, 21:$15M
annual performance bonus: $0.5M for 180 innings pitched
$20M is deferred ($6.5M of 2018 salary and $4.5M annually of 2019-21 salaries), to be paid $2M on 11/30/22 and $1.8M annually each 11/30, 2023-32)
if Cobb does not pitch 130 innings in 2020, an additional $5.5M of 2021 salary is deferred, to be paid $1.75M annually each 11/30, 2033-35Cobb pitched the 162 game equivalent of 140 2/3 innings in 2020, so, I assume that the last deferral possibility does not apply.
Therefore, for 2021 his salary is $15M with $4,5M deferred.
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On November 16, 2018, Mike Elias was hired by the Baltimore Orioles as Executive Vice-President and General Manager.
After allowing for the previous administration's 2018 player trades and the ensuing player declarations of free agency, Elias inherited a minimum 2019 opening day player payroll (ODP) of about $61 million(M). The O's ODP in 2018 had been $154.5M.
Elias's ODP for 2019 was, in fact, just over $82M. Adjusted for a 162 game season, his ODP for 2020 was just under $63M.
For those who want to play GM, I am presenting my current projected ODP for the start of the 2021 season. The O's will have pay obligations for all players on the 40 man roster, but I'm dealing only with the "active" roster (I'm assuming a 26 player limit).
To be on this list, the player must be under contract or under team control.
The players listed on the chart linked below are my current guesses based on the above requirement and transactions to date. I'll update the chart as the off-season proceeds and/or my magic 8-ball results change (all help appreciated).
Salaries are displayed as rounded to the nearest $10k, but the total is accurate to 2 decimal places.
Projections for those under contract are from authoritative media sources or the Cots Baseball Prospectus Compensation Website - https://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/al-east/baltimore-orioles/
The 2021 MLB minimum salary is $570,500.
I provide this information so that we can make accurate and useful comparisons to the opening day payrolls of the Orioles in previous years, other MLB teams and the totals for Major League Baseball. As with virtually all team opening day payroll tabulations on the web, my total payroll figure does not reflect any deductions for deferred salaries or additions for set-asides for deferrals from previous years (as required by Article XVI of the CBA). So, please, let's dispense with the squabbling over the "accounting" for salary deferrals. I have noted the 2021 contract deferrals in the right-most column of the below chart.
The chart is available on Google docs at:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1r9rXsnRddT87SU72o4a0Jn6q_fIDbi3Dxlu_9OZiqCo/edit?usp=sharing- 3
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4 hours ago, ChipTait said:
In the 11th inning, Sisco moved from DH to C, Holaday from C to 1B, Nunez to 3rd and Ruiz to 2nd.
Was Alberto injured? What did I miss?
Per Roch:
"Alberto left the game with a sore knee."
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5 minutes ago, wildcard said:
I thought the 40 man roster was full. If they are bringing Shepherd up some one has to go off the 40.
Of the 42 players on the 40 man, 3 are currently on the 45 day IL thus leaving 1 vacancy for Shepherd:
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Drungo, if the lineup that you posted represents the batting order, it would appear that McGraw batted out of turn as the article states that there were 2 out, 2 on, indicating that Hoffer should have been batting.
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Updated the roster projection to reflect ODP as of 2/19/20.
See opening postProjected 2020 Opening Day Payroll (ODP) is at $62.74M. Last year's ODP was $82.12M.
Reminder -- my rule for the ODP for the 26 Man Roster -- only players on the 40 Man Roster or on a split contract.
The 40 Man roster is now at 38; with the projection of the addition of Wade LeBlanc, it would be at 39.
Davis accounts for 36.7% of the current ODP, Cobb 22.3%
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Updated the roster projection to reflect ODP as of 2/19/20.
See opening postProjected 2020 Opening Day Payroll (ODP) is at $62.47M. Last year's ODP was $82.12M.
Reminder -- my rule for the ODP for the 26 Man Roster -- only players on the 40 Man Roster.
The 40 Man is now full.
Davis accounts for 36.8% of the current ODP, Cobb 22.4%
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Updated the roster projection to reflect ODP as of 2/11/20.
See opening postProjected 2020 Opening Day Payroll (ODP) is at $62.48M. Last year's ODP was $82.12M.
Reminder -- my rule for the ODP for the 26 Man Roster -- only players on the 40 Man Roster.
The 40 Man is full.
Davis accounts for 36.8% of the current ODP, Cobb 22.4%.
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8 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:
Bold = Elias
Projected OD roster,
....Williams....
12/26 in a year. 15/40.
Mason Williams is on a minor league contract and not on the 40 Man Roster
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Updated the roster projection to reflect ODP as of 1/31/20.
See opening postProjected 2020 Opening Day Payroll (ODP) is at $62.5M. Last year's ODP was $82.12M.
Reminder -- my rule for the ODP for the 26 Man Roster -- only players on the 40 Man Roster.
The 40 Man is full.
Davis accounts for 36.8% of the current ODP, Cobb 22.4%.
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Updated the roster projection to reflect ODP as of 1/10/20.
See opening postProjected 2020 Opening Day Payroll (ODP) is at $62.5M. Last year's ODP was $82.12M.
Reminder -- my rule for the ODP for the 26 Man Roster -- only players on the 40 Man Roster.
The 40 Man is now full.
Davis accounts for 36.8% of the current ODP, Cobb 22.4%.
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Added a column to the chart displaying season's attendance as a % of stadium capacity for the 2019 season.
By this measure, the Orioles bested only Miami in 2019.
In terms of seating capacity, the smallest is Tropicana at 25,025 and Dodger is the largest at 56,000.
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Updated the roster projection to reflect ODP as of 1/9/20.
See opening postProjected 2020 Opening Day Payroll (ODP) is at $63.68M. Last year's ODP was $82.12M.
Reminder -- my rule for the ODP for the 26 Man Roster -- only players on the 40 Man Roster.
The 40 Man is now full.
Davis accounts for 36.1% of the current ODP, Cobb 22%.
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2 hours ago, UpstateNYfan said:
For a large city the attendance per capita data has a low limit...If the Yankees sold out every game, their attendance would max out at 4.3 million and their max attendance per capita would be a little over .2. So, does that say NY is a bad baseball city? Likewise, a small metro area with just "average" MLB attendance can result In an inflated numbers.
Well, that's true, I'll add a column for % of capacity later.
Maybe, that will further enlighten us as to a team's relative:
fervency of fandom
marketing effectiveness
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OK -- I updated the opening post to this thread - See opening post displaying the mileage to the nearest opponent's stadium.
Let me know if this additional information supports any of your opinions.
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Projected Orioles 2021 Opening Day Payroll (ODP)
in Orioles Talk
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I expect that the Orioles will exercise their contract agreement with Maikel Franco and option him to the alternate site at Bowie before opening day. Once optioned, as of opening day, Franco will not be counted as on the 26-man active roster, but the O's will be paying his contracted MLB salary and, as such, his 2021 salary counts toward my projected ODP.
To bring my roster of players up to 26 for my ODP chart, I added Jahmai Jones. That brings my projected ODP to $49.15M.
This is pretty, pretty, complicated so, check me out.
Opening Post
The chart is available on Google docs at:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1r9rXsnRddT87SU72o4a0Jn6q_fIDbi3Dxlu_9OZiqCo/edit?usp=sharing