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    What will Villar's trade value be this off-season?

    in Orioles Talk

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    3 minutes ago, Frobby said:

     

    I don’t think that teams considering trading for Villar will value him exclusively based on what he did in 2019.    Yes, Villar has raised his future projection based on his strong performance this year, but teams aren’t going to value him on the basis that they’re likely to get a steady diet of that level performance in the future.    

    That makes a lot of sense but I'm gonna hold out hope that at least one team, somewhere, falls in love with him and structures a trade accordingly.

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    Every time the O's start Blach they are tanking

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    39 minutes ago, Sessh said:

    Considering this is the first year of a lengthy rebuild that is directly following a massive collapse, 50 wins is absolutely better than 70 wins. The goal is to get the highest draft pick possible. This is about sacrificing the present for the future for several consecutive years in order to build a successful team built upon a model of sustainability that can be used to consistently produce teams that are playoff contenders year after year.

     

    Sorry to disagree with you but I don't think Elias is focusing on 50 wins or 70 wins. The goal isn't the highest draft pick possible.

    The goal is to improve the talent level from the lowest minor league team to the 25 man roster. And the biggest key to doing that is to develop players at all stages, whether that's the GCL or DSL or Bowie or anywhere in between, including someone like Means at Balt. And I think it means we're going to have guys in AA or AAA that could be rushed that could help, but they won't be because the overriding goal is development. 

    Another part of the overall goal is to draft as well as possible and certainly having 1-1 or 1-2 helps the chances. But it also means someone like Welk in later rounds who might have a future. And after round 5 or so, does it matter if you're picking first that round or 12th? 

    in the sense that Elias isn't focused on 70 wins instead of 50 wins, I do agree with that. I think almost everyone on the MLB roster is being viewed as a chip to trade for something that could become a better chip. An example would be Villar. I don't think there were "no" offers for Villar at the trade deadline but I believe there weren't offers that Elias thought made the club better in the long run. 

    A day or so ago, Elias mentioned being in place this year to sign some guys who could help, and cited Wojo as an example. But I don't believe the point of that kind of signing is to win 70 games. I think it's to find another chip that can be traded in July for something that improves the club long term. Elias has something that few clubs have. He has 3 spots where he can sign a minor league free agent who needs 10-12 starts to prove his worth. Maybe 1 or 2 of 3-4 signings take the opportunity and run with it and become a valuable chip in July.

    I also believe some guys who are having MLB success, like Mancini will be traded when Elias gets an offer he views as helpful long term. But if he isn't, I'm going to interpret that to mean that the offers just weren't of enough value rather than it being important to leave a MLB asset that might contribute to a few more wins. 

    I agree with a lot of your post otherwise. 

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    Austin Hays called up

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    29 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

    I'd be very surprise if Davis is on the team next year. ..... Elias also mentioned that his situation will be looked into this offseason which is the hope i have that he was told he can eat the contract after this year.

     

    Agree with all you said with the only exception being that Elias quote which I remember to be something to the effect of "giving Davis some things to work on this offseason". That's not an exact quote but I think it's close. 

    To me, that means Davis gets one more spring training to show worth and maybe the time it takes to set the Mountcastle clock early in the year. 

    Where’s the call-ups?

    in Orioles Talk

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    2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

    Which would be not as good as the other options.

    How is he going to work on his strike zone judgement at home? 

    I'm sure Elias has a well thought out plan.  I never said otherwise, you are rather obviously trying to deflect from the topic you wanted to discuss. 

     

    I think you're a little more passionate about this than I am. I'm not trying to deflect anything but I didn't intend to start an argument either. 

    I'll leave the rest to you.

    Where’s the call-ups?

    in Orioles Talk

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    3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

    Because the best way to improve his defense and strike zone judgement would be to promote him to the majors so he can continue to work on it now that the AAA season is over.  The second best way would be to send him to the AFL.  The third best way would be to send him to winter league ball.  The fourth would be to send him down to instructs.

    They don't appear to be doing any of that.

     

    Or send him home with instructions. 

    Most of these guys work out all offseason. 

    I don't know why they didn't bring him up but I'm positive they know the player better than I do. If it's solely a service time decision, I don't disagree with that in the slightest. The lack of walks is often an issue for a player coming to MLB. Being below average at any defensive position seems like an issue. 

    I trust Elias has a well thought out plan. 

    Where’s the call-ups?

    in Orioles Talk

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    7 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

    Yea, no.

    You can't honestly think he "hasn't mastered the level" as the league's MVP.

    Even if he does have work to do would it be better for him to work on it in the majors or go home?  He ain't going to improve his strike zone judgment sitting on the front porch.

    What this tells the kids in the minors is that this is a business and how they perform may or may not have any bearing on how they are promoted.

     

    Yea, no.

    You and I disagree. No big deal.

    The kids in the minors are well aware this is a business. 

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    Where’s the call-ups?

    in Orioles Talk

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    4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

    I understand it, I just don't agree with the thinking.  I think it sends a poor message to both Mountcastle and the other kids in the minors for a rather dubious long term advantage.

    The message Mountcastle should get is he can improve defensively and recognizing/controlling the strike zone.

    An Early Look at the 2020 Draft's Top Prospects

    in O's Amateur Draft and International Signings

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    25 minutes ago, ShoelesJoe said:

    While it appears there's going to be a lot of great pitching available in the next draft  I hope the Orioles choose to go with the best position player available. The attrition rate among pitching prospects is just horrific, and in our position we need to hit on every top pick we have. Pack the minor league system with lots of good young position players, and then deal the excess for major league arms that have already made it to the big leagues in healthy condition. 

    I agree. Austin Martin is my guy but from the Callis article above, take a look at this:

    4. Garrett Mitchell, OF, UCLA
    A better all-around player than Torkelson or Martin, Mitchell is a lefty hitter who already gets some plus grades for his bat, speed, arm and center-field defense, and he also has the bat speed to develop similar power. He broke out as a sophomore, batting .349/.418/.566 with 32 extra-base hits and 26 steals, though his Type 1 diabetes is a concern for some clubs.

    Long Szymborski article on the O’s

    in Orioles Talk

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    8 minutes ago, Philip said:

    Yes I meant Sadler. I thought he was a lefty. And I know that the Dodgers picked him up before he hit the waiver wire. I don’t remember what they traded for him, but I’m sure it wasn’t very much, and I’m curious as to why the Orioles were not willing to pay that price, because according to the article I read he was let go more because of a roster crunch than because of any flaws on his part

    Nathan Witt, 17th round pick in '17. In Class A now. 

    Nick Martini

    in Minors

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    Just released from the A's. This is a guy Luhnow and Elias drafted with the Cards. Might be an interest.

    From MLB Traderumors:

    The Athletics have designated outfielder Nick Martini for assignment, per a club announcement. 

    Martini was a seventh-round pick of the Cardinals in 2011 who proved to be a shrewd minor league signing for the Athletics last season. He earned his first major league promotion in the first week of June in 2018 and then proceeded to slash an impressive .296/.397/.414 (129 wRC+) with 1.3 fWAR in 179 plate appearances, though he only hit one home run over that span. Unsurprisingly, the left-handed Martini did just about all of his damage against righty pitchers.

    Even though Martini was an easily above-average hitter at the major league level a year ago, he hasn’t been much of a factor in the bigs this season. The 29-year-old collected just 13 PA with the 2019 A’s before they cut him, instead spending almost all of the campaign with their Triple-A affiliate in Las Vegas. Across 329 trips to the plate, Martini has put up a strong .328/432/.482 line in the minors with eight home runs and almost as many walks (49) as strikeouts (51), good for a 129 wRC+ that matches his MLB production from 2018. With two minor league options left, it’s possible someone will claim Martini on waivers.

    Dominican Summer League

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