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13 minutes ago, Winter said:
Dumb post comparing 2023 Orioles to 22 Astros/ 21 Braves to try to discredit the original posters opinion.... Astros won a World Series in 2017, in 2015 they had the 2nd lowest payroll, 2016 the 7th lowest payrolls... 2017 they had the 18th highest payroll... Orioles are not the 2017 Astros yet, if we're anywhere in our stage of the rebuild it would be the 2014/2015 Stros. && For the Braves they've always been around the middle of the pack, few years just below the middle, so yes the original poster comparisons makes much sense. When compared to where the Orioles are now and where the stros/braves have been.
https://www.fueledbysports.com/mlb-payrolls/
Sorry this team isn't going to win the world series even if we added Rodon, Bassit and Nimmo unless our young players not just Rutsch/Gunnar talking Cowser/Westburg/Rodriguez etc. ALL take a massive step forward to fill other gaps between us and the competition and if they do GOOD then we can go in on big FAs / Trade deadline deals.
Thanks Mike, I hope you're getting a nice kickback for the money saved on not engaging in any "financial insanity".
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2 hours ago, Frobby said:
We are more akin to the 2016 Astros, who coming off their first winning season, had a payroll of $89 mm. Interestingly, they had a $93 mm payroll in 2015, and actually trimmed $4 mm the following year. But then in 2017 they hit the accelerator.
Right now, even $89 mm would be a big increase.
It's hard to imagine they get anywhere close to 89 million this year. I hope you're right and they're right on the verge of the 2017 Astros who started to spend serious money chasing a World Series title but I see little to no evidence that they will be.
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2 minutes ago, DrinkinWithFermi said:
I vigorously defended the tank-n-save rebuild strategy for years with the expectation that when it was go time, the team would spend, albeit in a smart and calculated fashion, and obviously within parameters reasonable to our market size.
Well, it's go time.
Not yet. The computer says the AL East odds are low this year. Hopefully it’ll be higher next year.
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22 Astros - 8th in payroll
21 Braves - 10th in payroll
23 Orioles - likely bottom 3-5 in payroll
One of those things is not like the others.
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16 minutes ago, Three Run Homer said:
Just from a baseball point of view, I'd rather have Carrasco than any of the remaining free agents for next season. If we don't have to give up a top prospect for him, all the better.
Isn’t the whole point of them trading him because the prices are so high that they will ask for at least a top 10 prospect?
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2 minutes ago, Three Run Homer said:
Since Eovaldi is one of the biggest "names" left unsigned, let me just say that I don't see the appeal. He is not durable, his performance record is mixed, he wants a long-term contract and he costs a draft pick. Other than that, he's perfect.
Don’t worry, when he signs elsewhere it’ll be because the market is crazy and it was smart of the O’s to pass on him.
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Elias said the other day he won’t make moves to win in 2023 that could hurt future teams. Last year in a playoff chase he traded the closer and the face of the franchise for prospects. Things like that matter to people in the real world. Why would someone sign a 1 or 2 year deal with the O’s if they care about winning? The GM already showed and has stated he isn’t considering the team an AL East contender in 2023. The only reason to sign a short term deal with the O’s is money.
His moves might look good on Fangraphs or statcast but in the real world what he is doing and saying has and will continue to have consequences until he shows he’s trying to win.
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2/25 for a guy who had a 2.92era in 24 starts with Toronto last year. I am starting to wonder if Elias will ever give anyone a multi-year deal.
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I think the final nail was when Elias said that a free agent pitcher on a long term deal tends to pitch better the first year of the deal. At least for me that’s when I realized that regardless of years or money they wouldn’t be in for any meaningful pitcher. When you start blatantly lying like that because you know nobody will fact check you and the few that do will be criticized for it is when you know you can do whatever you want and still control the narrative.
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1 minute ago, Yardball85 said:
I think a lot of us did... the Orioles have an absurdly low payroll, Bassitt was a good fit for a young rotation, and only got three years. But what do we know?
The only concern with Bassitt is age and the 3 year contract takes care of that. To not sign him at 3 years is just being cheap.
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1 minute ago, Yardball85 said:
I think Elias said what he really thought/hoped ownership would let him do, and had to backtrack when the Angeloses called him into their office to say, um, actually, we don't want to spend any of our money on improving the team via free agency.
Either it’s this or he just keeps kicking the can down the road while pretending, and in some cases convincing others, it’s the “smart” thing to do because he has been in on it from the start. When someone signs a crazy contract everyone says it was too expensive or too many years. Then when you see a reasonable free agent signing like when Bassitt signs for 3/63 you see the pivot to remaining free agents. Eventually, when they all sign, it’ll turn to mythical trades that they’ll be in on before Spring Training. After that, when they don’t make a meaningful trade, it’ll be because they’re waiting for the deadline. All the while they’ll be praised as “smart” by some. It’s insane.
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Add Bassitt 3/63 to my list too lol
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26 minutes ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:
I don't think the Brewers would be interested in a deal then, but if the O's can swing a trade for Burnes while keep those three prospects then you have to at least consider it.
I just don't see the Brewers making a trade if one of the above three isn't included.
Based on what Luis Castillo went for that’s probably correct. They’ll get a better offer from someone else if they do decide to move him.
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40 minutes ago, btdart20 said:
I don’t think he fits the mold. In fact, his stats look a little tippy.
But what are the odds Stripling signs a 1 year deal with a player option that’s quasi-team friendly ($9m plus incentives w/ a $7m option)? It gives Stripling a floor and a path to make more if he’s successful. He still has a negative history but another year with good numbers and he could be in the $15m/year range.
Probably low. He should be able to get $10m+ guaranteed I would think. He’d be a real nice back of the rotation target for teams like the Mets, Dodgers, etc. who are still signing starters.
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1 minute ago, interloper said:
Yeah for the purposes of this thread, let's assume "the farm" does not include those 3 guys.
Any of Cowser/Westburg/Ortiz/Hall/Mayo/Kjerstad, etc would be in play.
Well then I change my answer to yes.
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No, I wouldn't trade Grayson Rodriguez, Gunnar Henderson, or Jackson Holliday. Other than those three they could have whoever they want.
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2.92era last year as a starter. Projected anywhere from 2/18 - 3/30. That seems like it could be a pretty nice deal for whoever ends up signing him.
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2 hours ago, Just Regular said:
Last 3 Years - Manaea ~390 IP, Heaney ~270 IP.
On the Manaea-Gibson-Lyles level, I believe the Innings are what the Clubs want - they know the ERA could be 5.25 or 4.25. They carry water so LeBron can max out his minutes in the playoffs, or you don't have to hurt poor Grayson Rodriguez.
Heaney more boom bust.
Gibson career ERA - 4.52
Lyles career ERA - 5.10
Manaea career ERA - 4.06Based on their career stats I think Manaea is a level above Gibson and Lyles.
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13 hours ago, Jim'sKid26 said:
The Special Air Service essentially created the modern concept of special forces. Their motto is "Who dares, wins." Let's blow the whole thing up.
Offer Carlos Rodon a 5 year contract @ $40M per year. Make him turn down $200M. Give him an opt out after 2 years.
The O's have the money. 5 years is short enough to not be entirely crippling in the current MLB economy.
It's time to make things happen.
It would make sense if the goal was to win a world series but unfortunately the goal is to be a good team that makes the playoffs for a long period of time while spending the least amount of money possible.
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5 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:
Manaea signed?
Giants 2/25 with opt out
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Add Manaea 2/25 to my list
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Carlos Santana, Miguel Castro, Josh Bell, Andrew Heaney, Zach Eflin, Jose Abreu, Kyle Gibson, and Jose Quintana.
All of those signings were fair and anyone of them would have improved the O’s at a reasonable cost and none were long term.
Obviously some are redundant so I wouldn’t have signed everyone of them but they were all good signings IMO.
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34 minutes ago, DrinkinWithFermi said:
If his "two and a half weeks" comment is true and accurate, that means we were already trying to sign him less than a week after free agency began. It really blows me away that we had already set our sights so low so early.
I actually think that's a good thing. They had a guy they wanted and they went out and got him.
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13 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:
Regarding the window timing, I can't remember where I saw it, but in one of the winter meeting interviews Elias was saying something about the first year of a longer contract being the one most likely to have the biggest impact. I think the idea was that if we aren't truly contenders yet, the $20M in that first year might be wasted. If you are concerned about wasting years on the front end, and payroll flexibility on the back end, that leaves you with a very small window. If you really wanted to maximize use of capital, it would seem the best option would be short term trade deadline rental deals, when you know the player will have an impact on a contending team, and you also aren't tied into a big contract with wasted years on the back end. In exchange for that certainty, there is probably a high cost in prospects since other teams will be making that same calculation, but we may have the resources to win that type of bidding war.
Going back to 2016 that statement he made is wrong. Most pitchers signed to 3+ year deals have not had the 1st year of the contract as their best year during their contract.
Does a moo bat in the middle of the order and a top of rotation ace legitimately make us World Series contenders?
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Yes, it does. It doesn’t happen because the goal isn’t to win a World Series it’s to field a winning team for as cheap as possible to maximize profits.