Ruzious
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2 hours ago, Frobby said:
Depends how he does in 2022. We might not want to trade him anyway depending on how various things went. Or, if necessary the O’s could eat some of the 2023 salary and justify it on the basis that they were paying for his 2022 production.
I’m probably done discussing this since the odds the O’s attempt to acquire DeJong are low. I can only spend so much time arguing the merits of hypothetical moves. I think it’s intriguing but I certainly don’t expect it to happen.
Edit: found this quote from Pinstripe Alley interesting:
“DeJong is on an extremely team-friendly deal, being owed $15 million over the next two seasons with a pair of affordable club options following. All this adds up to a hefty prospect price needed to land the 28-year-old shortstop, perhaps too steep for the Yankees’ blood.”
Gotta like that article for showing the cons as well as pros for it's idea - Yanks going after DeJong - but ultimately the fact that his OPS+ has gone down every year since his rookie year - sown to 86 - makes his seem like an unlikely target for the Yankees.
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1 minute ago, Ruzious said:
I started out by saying I realize it has no chance; it's what I would try to do.
Any trade idea we'd come up with has an extremely small chance of happening. The point is to discuss its merits if we were running the team.
Edit - Any acquisition idea...
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4 hours ago, Aristotelian said:
We have no idea if Miami will trade with us. We have no idea if Rodon will agree to a contract that essentially isn't guaranteed. I would be OK with both ideas but it takes two sides to agree.
I started out by saying I realize it has no chance; it's what I would try to do.
Any trade idea we'd come up with has an extremely small chance of happening. The point is to discuss its merits if we were running the team.
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4 hours ago, RZNJ said:
The WS, a playoff team, not willing to take a 1 year, 18M risk on him tells me they don't feel very confident about his health for THIS season.
... which is what I said.
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I know there's literally zero chance this happens, but I'd go after... Carlos Rodon. He's a major injury risk, and supposedly that's gonna keep everyone from offering him more than 2 to 3 years. So offer him 4 years. He showed last season that when he's 100% healthy, he's a legit TOR starter, but after coming back from the injured list in August, his velocity was down, and he didn't do well in the playoffs. But he just turned 29. White Sox decided not to make him an 18.4 mil qualifying offer - an indication they don't think there's a big market for him. Give him a 4 year contract that includes incentives for number of starts.
Then make the trade with Miami to get Lopez and Meyer. Our starting rotation at the end of the year would be Rodon, Means, Lopez, GrayRod, and Meyer - with Hall next in line.
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19 hours ago, ScGO's said:
A lot of this is dependent on whether there is a floor salary requirement. If the new CBA requires each team to be above a certain threshold of salary, the Orioles actually may be forced to spend some money. This is where I think trading for a bad contract could be beneficial for the O's. I like the idea of trading hor Dallas keuchel or another overpaid pitcher as we could get prospects in return while filling a rotation need. An underperforming keuchel is still better than most of our current pitching options.
Exactly. This is something I've mentioned several times this offseason that I think people are overlooking.
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1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:
I swear that wasn’t me. Lol
I know it wasn't you. :)
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Hmm, someone using the pen name Mike Elias got his question answered by Mark Polishuk on today's MLBTR Live Chat: https://www.jotcast.com/chat/mlbtr-live-chat-12149.html
QuoteMike Elias1:14Marlins/O's trade: Cedric Mullins for Pablo Lopez and Max Meyer. Who says no?Mark P1:15Wouldn't this be a cracker of a trade? I could see both teams giving this a real think. Miami would get the CF cornerstone it desires, and the Orioles would get two rotation building blocks. -
15 hours ago, NCRaven said:
I think we have to add one of the second tier pitching prospects, possibly even for the base trade, ie. not involving Perez. A Bradish, Baumann, Lowther level pitcher.
Say we add all 3 of them to the trade; would that be a good offer for Meyer, Lopez and Perez?
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35 minutes ago, owknows said:
Hays
Hays. I don't think he'll reach Mullins heights, but I can see him coming close. For pitchers, I'll go with Lowther.
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Getting back to the Marlins and what they'd give up for Mullins...
Who says no? Mullins for Pablo Lopez and either Max Meyer or Edward Cabrera. What would the O's have to add to get Miami to include Eury Perez?
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/12/evaluating-the-marlins-rotation-trade-options.html
QuotePablo López — López has been quietly excellent over the past two seasons. He’s got a 3.26 ERA across 160 innings since the start of 2020, including a 3.07 mark this past season. There’s not much to nitpick in his statistical profile. The 25-year-old uses a five-pitch mix. He’s got plus control, misses a few more bats than average and — thanks mostly to one of the sport’s best changeups — rarely gives up hard contact. With three years of control and a modest $2.5MM projected arbitration salary, López would have a ton of trade value if he’d gotten through the 2021 campaign fully healthy.
Yet the situation’s complicated by a shoulder injury that cost him essentially the entire second half. López landed on the IL in mid-July and didn’t return until the final day of the season, when he worked just 1 2/3 innings in a deliberately abbreviated start. His velocity returned to peak levels and it’s possible López’s shoulder problem proves nothing more than a blip, but any team looking into an acquisition this offseason will surely do their due diligence on a medical evaluation.
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26 minutes ago, LA2 said:
If the O's make an extravagant offer soon and he turns it down, he will forever be remembered in Oriole fandom as the Greinke that stole Christmas.
I laughed, but even the Grinch isn't as old as Greinke.
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28 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:
I don't think that is accurate.
I think you are correct - the 14th pick is their 2nd pick, so that would be the pick they could lose.
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13 minutes ago, Ruzious said:
The Mets reportedly didn't make any offer to Rocker - choosing to get the 11th pick in the 2022 draft.
Actually, they could lose that 11th pick if they sign a free agent that was tendered a contract by their former team and turned it down - because the 11th pick is scheduled to be their 2nd pick.
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23 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:
Probably something you care about with a top 10 pick but not a 2nd rd pick. We’re still happy as clams with Carter Baumler and he needed TJS almost immediately after being drafted. If we’re talking about a $1-2mm signing bonus for Rocker with our 2nd/3rd pick, then I think you do that all day.
The Mets were worried about his right elbow. From the New York Post:
Q: What exactly is wrong with Rocker?
A: The Mets expressed concern initially and primarily about Rocker’s right elbow, according to multiple sources. Ultimately, the Mets didn’t like what they saw beyond just the elbow, which is why they didn’t think even Tommy John surgery would alleviate their worries.
Rocker and Boras, of course, insist that nothing is wrong with him, and they possess the rather impressive Exhibit A of the pitcher’s body of work at college. That is why the entire baseball world, no one more than the Mets, will be watching Rocker very closely.
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5 minutes ago, RZNJ said:
If Rocker and his agent were ok with 1-2 M, he probably would have signed with the Mets.
The Mets reportedly didn't make any offer to Rocker - choosing to get the 11th pick in the 2022 draft.
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It's not impossible that Hosmer actually plays up to his salary after 2022 - when he's getting paid $13 mil a year. It's not like he's Chris Davis. He had a 104 OPS+ last season (the same as Mancini) and 132 in the 38 games he played in 2020.
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1 minute ago, oriole said:
Winning team? He probably owns a house in the area and wouldn’t want to uproot everything to move if he has a choice? The Orioles don’t actually want him, they want whatever prospect tags along with him? I dunno, it’s all speculation of course but there seem to be plenty of reasons why Hosmer wouldn’t want to come to a team like the O’s.
Agreed - but people are acting like it's impossible to change his po$ition - which seems a bit over-doing the negativity, imo. Obviously, no trade we suggest here has much chance of happening, but they can be interesting exercises.
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2 hours ago, oriole said:
First thing I thought too. No way would he allow a trade to a bottom dweller team. And if he did, why would we want a veteran riding out the end of a big contract just so he can collect his check? No thanks and I’m sure Hosmer feels the same
But why would he want to stay where he's clearly not wanted?
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I'd like to see Roch or anyone of the Baltimore reporters follow up on this.
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Turg never seemed to understand there was a problem - which is probably the biggest reason he had to go. His offenses were terrible pretty much every year - virtually unwatchable. And if you're a poor half-court teacher , you can at least make up for that by being a running team - but he insisted on going with the plodding unwatchable offense - even though he had players who can run. Why would any top recruits want to play that style? And player development was pretty much non-existent.
Sounds like Bruce Pearl is a possibility, but maybe Danny Manning can get them on a roll.
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13 hours ago, sevastras said:
According to the article, they floated Robert Hassell to the Rangers for taking Hosmer. If I were in charge and could get CJ Abrams, I would be all over that. I wouldnt mind Hassell either as a second option if you didnt give up too much.
I think Abrams would be a tremendous acquisition for the O's - so much so that I'd include Henderson to get him.
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My hope is that he gets healthy and stays healthy. My expectations will depend on his health.
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We first have to know if there will be an opening day. If so, yes... he'll be backing up Maverick Handley.
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I said: "White Sox decided not to make him an 18.4 mil qualifying offer - an indication they don't think there's a big market for him."