TradeAngelos
-
Posts
2093 -
Joined
-
Last visited
-
Days Won
1
Content Type
Profiles
Forums
Events
Posts posted by TradeAngelos
-
-
Wish Hyde would have left him in but we surely didn't want his arm to fall off after 82 pitches.
He could have put his feet up and still struck out the side that is how easy it was today.
-
The name has already been chosen. Someone here mentioned it right after the sale in one of those threads, and I have claimed it as my own.
-
1
-
-
13 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:
Make sure to update this when you are done.
I will oblige when the paperwork is finished and it is official.
-
Seems like the time to get this done was before the season started. I doubt anything of this magnitude would happen in season, although I would obviously welcome it.
-
22 minutes ago, pdiddy said:
How does one do this - I feel like a name based on an international fugitive is not a great choice for me.
It was a very long and arduous process. You have to get it on the desk of the big man and hope he finds the kindness in his heart to oblige. But it was all worth it. I, too, did not want to be labeled a scoundrel by my username anymore.
-
108 wins. It's the Rubenstein Effect.
-
- Popular Post
- Popular Post
Despite the gloomy weather, the sun is shining bright behind those clouds in Birdland on this glorious day. I have been waiting for this moment for over 2 decades. I never thought this day would come, but our new owner has my absolute unwavering support. Any slander of this great man will not be tolerated. He can do no wrong, and is responsible for saving baseball in this city. I know these things take time, but I hope the upper management at OH will expedite my request in a timely fashion. The pitchfork is in the dumpster, and the pom poms have replaced it. I truly believe he is the missing piece this franchise has been looking for, and will take us to the promised land eventually.
Let's go O's.
-
5
-
1
-
6
-
7 hours ago, interloper said:
I agree that it's likely the Orioles increase overall payroll. I just don't think it means they are suddenly breaking the bank for the very top of the starting pitching market, or that Elias wants to do that. And I just don't think the Burnes trade is evidence of that financial shift just yet because it's only adding a 1/$15 contract to this year, and Elias has surely been working on this trade long before Rubenstein was official.
The culture I referred to from Elias' days in the Astros organization was more about his drafting and development culture, analytics, and finding the right time to pull the trigger on a trade for a TOR SP. The Astros have more spending power than that Orioles have and that allows them to occassionally spend on guys, but that's been more about Crane than it has been about Lunhow or Elias.
Anyway, let's agree to disagree and move on. I'm just as excited about Rubenstein and Burnes as you are, the only difference is I'm taking a more wait-and-see approach to everything. If our payroll is going to increase somewhat, I can think of many better ways to spend it than blowing it all on a SP in his age 30-37 years.
It's the new OWNER not the TRADE that makes people think hey maybe we aren't going to be 29th in payroll anymore! Maybe you can get that through your thick skull, but probably not after reading 5 pages of this stuff. I have never heard such complete nonsense from one person. On and on and on oh yeah we just going to be throwing money all over the place!!! No one EVER said anything of the sort, but you have to make s#$%^ up to try to back up your ridiculous arguments that are based on absolutely nothing that almost no one agrees with. We get it, you think the payroll should stay at 100m forever, and ANYTHING above that is just not even worth entertaining because it will never happen. You must be fun at parties. I and most of this fanbase are going to choose to believe that maybe....just maybe a new owner will actually not steal money from the fanbase anymore, and maybe just sign ONE premium pitcher, not go on a wild west spending spree that will never end! I'm just so glad you are here to keep us all in line and make us realize that absolutely nothing has changed, when in fact everything has changed.
-
2
-
-
1 minute ago, Frobby said:
Two serious questions for you, Mr. Genius:
1. What payroll do you think the Orioles could run without losing money?
2. Do you think an owner has an obligation to run the franchise at a loss?
The Orioles undoubtedly have earned large profits in 4 of the last 5 years. That doesn’t change the fact that Baltimore is a smaller than average market that will earn smaller than average revenues, and therefore will need to operate on a smaller than average payroll in a “typical” season, unless the owner decides to subsidize the team. You’ve had this long-running fantasy that MASN is some fantastic cash cow that somehow advantages the Orioles over other teams, but we know from FACTS readily available in the published arbitration decisions and court proceedings that the profits of MASN (after paying the market-price rights fees as determined by the arbitrators) are not that significant. In fact, the new owners are paying as much for the Orioles and MASN combined as Forbes had projected the Orioles were worth without MASN. That tells you all you need to know.
So yes, I’m glad to be rid of the Angelos family and their need to rake excess profits from the Orioles, but I’m not expecting the O’s to routinely run top-half of the league payrolls. They can do it once in a while like most teams do, but when you look at a decade or so of data they’ll still be in the bottom half of the league because that’s what their market will support. MLB itself recognizes Baltimore as one of the ten smallest markets and gives them extra draft picks, draft spending allotments and international spending allotments. They don’t do that because they love the Orioles, they do it because of the FACT that our potential revenues are smaller than most teams.
I expect league average at a minimum. With all the young talent we have for dirt cheap that puts us in a position to win a WS every year for the next 4. Is that too much to ask? Are we running at a loss at league average? Normally I would use all the money that "hasn't" been spent in last 5 yrs as leverage for more, but we know that last owner just stole all that money and it is gone now. Johnny isn't as dumb as we all thought, he hoarded hundreds of millions of cash over last 5 yrs and then took off and ran with it.
-
I'm as happy as it gets right now. Funny you have to claim otherwise.
The beautiful part about this ownership transition is how every single know it all about what this team and market can afford is going to be blown straight out of the water in the coming years, and all the delusional homers who bought into this small market nonsense are going to look foolish. That's why you hate people like me, because we are going to be proved correct while you are are going to be proven wrong. Sit back and watch. You see this is an actual good thing if you can put your ego aside and admit what some of us have known all along. You just wanted to believe so so much.
-
2 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:
We will probably need an operating payroll of about $180 million to extend Holliday, Henderson, and Rutschman along with extending/signing a top pitcher like Burnes. Should all be doable with this new ownership group.
I think our fans have been told (lied to) that we are a "small market" for so long that most have believed/accepted. But remember the Padres were a historically "small market" team until they weren't under their current owner. The Rangers have historically been a mid-size market at best until their new owner. The Astros, the same (even though the city of Houston is one of the largest in the country). The "market-size" is tied to the pocket size of the owner and that owner's willingness to spend. Detroit was one of the highest spending teams for a while under their previous owner before he died.
Couldn't agree more. That is why it is so frustrating to read this stuff. We have never been a small market team, but this fanbase has been beaten into submission over and over again by former ownership so bad they just can't wrap their head around this. I hope they prepare themselves for what is coming, they might have a nervous breakdown if we actually start spending at the ......middle of the pack level.
-
3 minutes ago, Frobby said:
Yes, perhaps some day we peons will all be as brilliant as you. Until then, we’ll just wallow in our ignorance and complacency.
I'm not brilliant I just haven't been brainwashed like you all apparently have been. And beaten into payroll submission with scars that might never go away. I know you are perfectly fine with (still) living in total fear due to what your captor has done to you over the past 30 years, but I am not.
-
3
-
-
Just now, Bemorewins said:
That is the most likely/logical possibility.
There were reports that all (major) spending was frozen until deal went through. I think what we saw in the 48hrs afterwards lends credibility to that notion.
-
12 minutes ago, CaptainRedbeard said:
Burnes is going to get a massive deal because of his durability. I’m sure Boras’ asking price will be to surpass Cole’s deal and he’s not going to extend prior to free agency for anything less.
The Orioles do this deal regardless of extension, but I do think it opens a small sliver of possibility of signing Burnes long term. It only happens if the Orioles new ownership group is committed to running $150M+ payrolls every year AND Elias thinks Burnes is one of the rare exceptions where a mega SP contract is advisable given the team composition and Burnes’ durability, and now they have a year of access to knowing his work ethic/conditioning/current health in a way that you don’t get when signing a free agent.
Between Adley, Gunnar, Holliday and now Burnes (and potentially Snell/Montgomery?), Elias and new ownership sure are going to have a lot to talk about with Boras. The “Boras players never sign extensions” axiom, which is largely true with some exceptions, is going to get tested. The Orioles have literally zero future financial commitments and all of that possibility from new ownership could be directed to Boras clients.
Committed to running 150m payrolls?.....it's not 2015 anymore. That would still be below league average (in 2024 that is). The question should be if they are committed to running 200m payrolls, not 150m. 200m in 2025 and beyond will still only be 12-14th overall. It's like this fanbase has been in a payroll coma for a decade and just woke up. Wait how much do players cost now? And these teams are spending how much?? Wow! So much has changed.
-
1
-
-
34 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:
Yes to the first question. And as far as extensions go, when you have a payroll this low with ownership coming in who has pockets that deep you can really do all 3. The main two owners have a net worth more than all of 2 current owners in MLB (Mets and Braves). And that is not even talking about Bloomberg's 17 billion+ net worth. We are not going to be in a position where we have to operate like a small market/Raysian/whatever people were trying to dress the cheapness of Angelos as. Think Padres/Rangers/Astros in terms of financial choices going forward. Rubenstein wants to win a world series, his history shows that he's not afraid to spend money, and he LOVES Baltimore and the Orioles.
At least one person gets it. Maybe the other 500 around here will get it one day.
-
1
-
-
Hope he doesn't cut that lettuce let it flow baby, let it flow.
-
2 minutes ago, csgordos said:
A quick note about peak male athlete age is 27/28. No way should a team that doesn’t have unlimited resources ($) give out $30M/7+ years. Anyone hear of a player named Chris Davis. I know this is way different, but I look forward to Yankees to cont to pay a ton of money for non-contributing players for years to come. This is a one year rental. Have to give up talent to get it. Hard part is that this is the same as saving for retirement for 40 years and now it is scary to spend it. For 30 years we always were “taking talent back”. Now we switch to giving away young talent. Hard mental shift for many. Great trade!!! Not expecting anything more than 1 year.
Angelos has absolutely ruined this fanbase. The damage will be felt for years to come. Some might never recover.
-
2
-
-
2 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:
So, just to post a few red flags:
first of all, go look at his 2021 season and in particular, look at his statcast page..it’s incredible.
However, since 2021, his velo is down 1.5 MPH. His K rate has dropped 2 straight years. His Bb rate has jumped a lot. His xERA has gone up a lot, he is missing fewer bats and had an FIp of 3.8 last year.
The only reason I really mention this is the idea of an extension. I don’t think I would go 6-8 years at 30+M for him. He will be 30 the first year of his new deal and he is already showing signs of decline. Now, don’t get me wrong..his stats now are still really good and this was an absolutely amazing trade but I do think you hold off on extension talk until you see him.
I doubt he signs one anyway unless you put really dumb money on the table.
He was arguably the best pitcher in baseball in 2021.
-
2 minutes ago, 24fps said:
Elias certainly has the surplus to do it. Look for Kremer to head to Chicago in the package if it happened. Burnes is getting $15.6 in 2024, so the payroll is now around $100 million so who knows if there's any headroom.
A whole 100m payroll?? All the way up to 24th overall!! Definitely no headroom left. God this is going to be a long process with this fanbase. It's going to drive me nuts.
-
1 minute ago, Mooreisbetter27 said:
Per Melewski:
Burnes final 14 starts for Mil:
2.71 ERA 0.91 Whip
.187 BAA .553 OPS
47.2 GB rate 10.22 k rate
I was told his numbers were "declining". Guess not.
-
You can still get 15-1 for them to win it all if you act quick.
-
2 minutes ago, StottyByNature said:
Never said he won't get that type of deal, just that I don't think the O's should give him that deal. And I'm also not just going to presume it's going to start raining money. Just because it's (theoretically) there doesn't mean we should spend with impunity. Look at the Mets last year. Give Elias whatever his higher payroll ceiling is and let him keep doing his excellent work.
Signing a #1 pitcher to a market rate deal does not mean it is raining money, or we are putting ourselves in a bad financial situation. That is what teams trying t win a championship d all the time. I know it is an unfamiliar position to be in, but if we are trying to win it all these are the moves that need to be made. We could afford TWO of him and still wouldn't have a league average payroll. We have all our young players dirt cheap for 4-5 more years, now is the time to actually be an "average" payroll team by adding top end starter(s). We have so much cheap talent to offset huge deals it is not funny. Let's start using it to do just that.
-
1 minute ago, StottyByNature said:
Absolutely not. He's 29 and his numbers declined slightly last year. Love this move for a year but there is no need to lock into something like that now. This was a perfect situation to use a prospect surplus and grab a legitimate ace to bolster the team for a year. Our core will still be coming from the minors.
So you think a 30 yr old former Cy Young winner with a 1 whip is not getting a massive premium contract this offseason if he just doesn't implode?
Declined from what? A Cy Young winner to just a normal TOR starter? Because all careers go in a perfect linear path with no ups or downs. If it ticks a tiny bit up at 30, it is a clear sign of impending disaster.
WE HAVE MONEY NOW. We don't have to worry about not ever signing a FA again if in yr 6 or 7 the contract doesn't look great. Stop living in the past and recognize the future and where we are going with new ownership.
-
Offer him 6/210 extension, he is getting 35m on FA market easy.
If you have to go to 7 years do it. Let's send a real message to everyone.
-
1
-
2024 Forbes Report: O’s Had $99 mm in operating income in 2023
in Orioles Talk
Posted
You now there was someone who has been saying this was going on for the past like 20 years, only to be talked down to like he was crazy. Over and over and over again. Year after year after year. Wonder who that was?
Angelos family pocketed a cool extra 500m over the last 5 years, and then took the money and ran away as fast as they could (trying for ANOTHER 600M on the way out!!) Gotta love it right guys!! He just kept spitting right in the fans faces and told you all it was raining, and (most of) you bought it hook line and sinker. But hey he threw a few million into the DR so that makes it all better. Pocket change for this scumbag, but it worked! Look at the "investments" he is making they all said!!
The Orioles don't make any money. MASN never made a penny. And we should all just be happy with the scraps the Angelos family tossed outside to us. Anyone who thought otherwise was just an idiot.