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1 minute ago, clapdiddy said:
Maybe the team "was not for sale" because a deal was already done...just not announced?
Johnny was trying to leverage the state for every penny possible, because he knew he was going to sell or already had agreed on the sale. That is why he lied to everyone and tried to extort the state for everything he could. He knew that would pay huge dividends on the value of the offer. He would have told them literally anything if it would mean another 600m in his pocket. Didn't work, too bad.
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I'd love to see a list of all the premier players who signed extensions with 4 years (plus) left on rookie deals, it can't be many. And for guys that haven't even played in the majors yet? Come on why are we even talking about those guys. Adley situation is complicated even more by how old he is. Honestly if we are being serious the play is probably to not pay him at all and ride that horse for everything we can get out of him. But PR wise that probably is not an option, unless he makes it clear he won't sign until FA.
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1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:
We don't know what makes Adley tick, what he might or might not do.
I don't need to be inside someone's brain to see what makes financial sense at his position. FA at 28 signing a 5 yr mega deal (or extended a year early at 27 for same type deal), or FA at 30 being looked at in a completely different way by the market?
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Ya'll are drunk to think Adley is even a remote possibility with 4 years left til FA. I didn't realize he was that far away. We need to start looking at who is closest to FA, not who is furthest away for extensions. That's seems to be almost none of the young guys. Even adding just 2 yrs for Adley you take him to age 30 which could very well completely eliminate his huge payday as a catcher at that age on the next contract. He isn't going for that unless the offer is crazy good (not that I would be opposed). Same with Gunnar these guys are just not going to want to throw away FA years that far off in the distance.
But going over the list now no young guy is even close to FA which is a huge problem (correct me if I am wrong), you might need to look at trades instead. Yeah those type of early deals "happen" but how often? Rarely.
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7 minutes ago, csgordos said:
If you invest in the team, you can draw 2.5-3 million per year. Add all the ancillary revenue and if they can develop the surrounding area. Easily can spend to keep the team competitive and bring back the glory years of sustainable winning. The “new Oriole way”.
Haven't hit 3m in 23 years and that was when population of city was 20% higher. Last run we only topped out at 2.5m. That might be just where we are at these days with all the other factors that were not present in the heydays of the 90's.
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A message needs to be sent in the way of a major extension, before the season. Whatever it takes, get it done.
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3 minutes ago, Remember The Alomar said:
I will take a nothing offseason in 2023-2024 for a future infinitely brighter future. Also, you need to change your username.
I do and will but have to think of something appropriate. I need to hear this new ownership actually speak.
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1 hour ago, Moose Milligan said:
Sike.
I was about ready to go.
Like we are NOT doing this right now. No way.
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It's sad we basically already flushed FA down the drain for this coming season. Any trades out there to make? The windows you think are going to be wide open for while can shut very easily. This team is young, good and (definitely) cheap, and primed to win (it all, not just a bunch of regular season games) if they were actually allowed to bring in premium talent.
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2 minutes ago, Remember The Alomar said:
Is this the best day in franchise history since October 16, 1983?
Of course and it aint even close.
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Am I dreaming? Have to be.
So who is first up for an extension? I might need one of those before I really believe.
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Before formally agreeing to a 30-year lease down the road, it appears that the current lease would first be extended. The first item on the stadium authority’s Monday agenda is “Baseball Stadium Lease Extension and Amendment.”
The authority members will discuss extending the current lease, which would allow time for “feasibility studies and government approvals to create a development plan.” If a ground lease agreement is not approved by a certain date, the agenda states, there would be an option to enter into a “new Facility Use Agreement with a 30-year term.”
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2 hours ago, Frobby said:
What this means is that, out of public view, there has been an arbitration regarding the rights fees for 2017-21. The previous one, covering 2012-16, was the one that was litigated to death for almost a decade. The stipulation to confirm the award signifies that neither party plans to contest this arbitration award covering the latter period. The amount is very similar to the previous period.
Either party can still contest any arbitration award covering any later period. In theory, an arbitration covering 2022-26 (or just an agreement between the parties) already should have happened. Maybe it has, and the public hadn’t been told. The methodology to determine rights fees going forward seems pretty well settled now. So maybe this really is about over now.
So am I correct to conclude that the Nationals were getting (well supposed to at least) 60m a year for their 25% (give or take) portion of the rights fees during that period from 2012-2016?
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17 hours ago, Roll Tide said:
Honestly he seems desperate…he looks like a fool for celebrating at the stadium prematurely
Exactly the position Johnny wanted to put him in, which makes it more likely he caves. Moore got played.
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22 minutes ago, dystopia said:
Just due to inflation, or is there more at play here? Hard to believe the value of 700M would drop that far in only 10 years.
Due to the fact you are losing about 10% interest on every investment dollar annually you don't get and that is compounded 10x. That money snowball rolling down the hill gets real big, real fast. The Dodgers can invest that money just like the player would and reap the benefits over the first 10 years, essentially lowering what they will pay out by a massive amount.
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2 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:
So the Dodgers can spend more now and so they can win championships. This isn’t hard to comprehend.
Oh right I had no idea why the DODGERS love the deal. I'm talking about HIM not the freaking team lol.
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Why would he sign a deal like that? It destroys a large majority of the value. The opportunity loss over 10 YEARS when he isn't getting paid will come to to easily 300m if not more. This is like one of those fake NFL deals with all the money on the back end the player will never see, so overall number is worthless. This overall number is similarly worthless since he has to wait a freaking decade to start collecting lol. I'd love to hear the rationale from the players perspective. Or any perspective explaining how this makes sense. I'm sure agent loves it because he is getting paid on 700m vs the 400m it is really worth. Probably like now.
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4 hours ago, Frobby said:
Oh, screw it. I like watching baseball. It’s very good value for my entertainment dollar so far as I’m concerned. I’m not going to stop watching or going to games because I’ve got some bug up my ass about the owner. Sue me.
You have every right to ignore everything I just said, and watch baseball. Don't believe I implied otherwise. I also have the right to call a spade a spade and not reward bad behavior in any small way I can. And don't act like my criticisms are unfounded or "just a little bug up my ass no big deal".
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Johnny Angelos is the pimp and the fans (that are left) are the prostitutes that keep coming back for more. He beats you up, you still give him your money. He spits in your face, you still give him your money. He keeps promising you the world without delivering a darn thing, you still give him your money. Then he throws a few dollars at you and tells you to clean yourself up and you say yes daddy. You have been so conditioned at this point there is nothing he can't do without you crawling back. He knows you don't have anywhere else to go. Just the way he wants it.
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Well that was fun while it lasted. A whole 24hrs.
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1 hour ago, ThomasTomasz said:
110% correct. If I could react to posts here, this deserves all of it.
Let’s not forget that PA never, in a million years, would have gotten involved in the international market to the extent we did. He basically ignored that 20% of rosters were constructed with players from international free agency, but he didn’t want to pursue “child labor” and pay them expensive bonuses.
Let’s not forget that we had an almost zilch analytics department, because we thought our development system that harkened back to players from the “Oriole Way” was enough.
Oh, and that development system was stuck in the stone age, again, with people whose major qualification was that they were part of the “Oriole Way” from years, sometimes even decades, ago.
Those fixes to the international free agency, analytics and front office/player development absolutely cost us more money. But that we can’t meet in the middle between last years payroll and 2016/17 is blatantly absurd. It did not cost us that much per year to do what we did, and hell, those are things that all needed to be done anyway to bring us up to par with other organizations. In five years, we’ve now exceeded them.
That’s where I am having trouble now. And if the Angelos family wants to sell, I’ll see them out and not bat an eye. But John made a huge difference with Mike Elias.
These "fixes" are literally just basic SOP that every team in MLB has. There is nothing groundbreaking about international investment, an analytics dept, or developing talent.
Puck News: Orioles sold to Rubenstein
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Why would you want to part ways with a man who has brought in more young talent than anyone in the history of this organization? Ya'll are just looking for anything to be mad at or worry about. Those days are over. The arrow is finally pointing up.