Gofannon
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8 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:
Kind like your ugly girlfriend….somebody is interested. It’s hard to believe no one is.
Honestly, I’m kidding with you.
12 year old response from you aside, was I wrong in anything I said?
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17 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:
I won’t believe no one is interested
Roll Tide: Lamar Jackson is a tier below Kirk Cousins, is injury prone, chokes at big moments, can't throw the deep ball, pads his stats, , can't win in the playoffs, is a mouthpiece for the NFLPA, has an attitude problem, has impossible contract demands and is trending downward.
Also Roll Tide: We should get a king's ransom for Lamar Jackson. More than Russell Wilson or Deshaun Watson.
Also Also Roll Tide: Why isn't anybody interested?
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Here is Game 5 of the '83 World Series, 40 years ago. Watch McGregor pitch. Truth be told, watch Charlie Hudson pitch. Nothing wrong with this pace of play as far as I'm concerned.
I mean, they used to be able to start game times at 7:35 back then because you could still end it by 10:00.
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1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:
Carr signing with the Saints. That’s an option gone if the ravens move on from Lamar.
4 years/$150 million, $100 million guaranteed, $60 million to sign, all for a guy that has seen 2 winning seasons in 9 years and is 0-1 in the playoffs. If that's the financial area where Carr/Mayfield/Jimmy G are hanging out, I don't like that neighborhood either.
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40 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:
Another reason I can’t see the non exclusive tag being used is that I would guess the Ravens would want Lamar out of the AFC.
I mean, what if Pitt decided to go after him?
On the exclusive tag, the Ravens have the power. It’s hard to believe that they would give up that power. It just doesn’t make sense.
It also means they lose any control over the first round picks they receive. If Tampa Bay signs him and have a long run in the playoffs, then we get the 19th pick in 2023 and the 28th pick in 2024. Am I correct on this?
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1 hour ago, Roll Tide said:
Sorry 1-3 in 5 seasons
I think there are at least 10 QBs that are better passers
Tier 1
Mahomes
Allen
Burrow
Tier 2
Herbert
Cousins
Lawrence
Tua
Tier 3
Hurts
Watson
Wilson
JacksonStone
Jones
Rodgers
**** I
I assume you mean Geno Smith instead of Stone?
Also interesting that you highlight Jackson's playoff record ad nauseum and then list Kirk Cousins and his 1-4 playoff record 5th and in a higher tier.
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1 hour ago, brvn52 said:
The absolute floor for a Lamar deal is the Watson (3 1sts, 1 3rd, 1 4th) or Wilson (2 1sts, 2 2nds, Fant, and Lock). Both players were getting new contracts, so the contract situation is a wash. Wilson was several years old, coming off a down year (still high value though), and Watson had his obvious issues.
Lamar is 26 and a former MVP. No MVP QB under 30 has EVER been traded. His trade value should and would be unprecedented. The question is not *if* 3 1sts, but how much more than 3 1sts?
Will the way things worked out this year for Watson and Wilson lower what people offer for Lamar? I'd rather be Seattle than Denver right now, and I'd rather be Houston than Cleveland.
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15 hours ago, Roll Tide said:
Honestly, I’d be fine with 3 or 4 years of Garrapolo or a shorter deal for Goff. Take the 3 1st rounders and build the team around him.
Just wondering - how much are you giving Jimmy G per year over those 3/4 years in your scenario?
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13 hours ago, ArtVanDelay said:
You can’t be serious.
Certainly Harbaugh's first 5 years were consistently excellent and revitalized the franchise. I would hope that's inarguable. And I am specifically referencing Fisher's career with the Titans, not the Rams.
Not trying to go too far down the Harbaugh-Fisher discussion, but if you look at the 10 seasons after each team's Super Bowl appearance you have this:
Harbaugh (2013-2022) 92-67 regular season record, 2-4 playoff record, 2 conference championships, 4 playoff appearances
Fisher (2000-2009) 91-69 regular season record, 2-5 playoff record, 3 conference championships, 5 playoff appearances
That is an incredibly similar body of work over a decade of seasons.
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1 hour ago, Tony-OH said:
Two playoff wins since the Super Bowl. TWO....
If Rahim Moore just plays at the appropriate depth in Mile High, John Harbaugh is Jeff Fisher.
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56 minutes ago, Fiver6565 said:
I don’t know what else needs to be said. Roman has GOT to go.
Unwatchable offense is not on Huntley. The niners are putting up 25-30 points a game with Mr Irrelevant at QB. Give me a break. Also we sucked with Lamar anyway.
You could've fired him right after the time out/delay of game combo and I would've been thrilled. And I mean mid-game. The fact that this was such an issue for Huntley shows it isn't just a Lamar issue. I was mad when they didn't call a time out in the 4th quarter on 4th down when the play clock was about to expire, but then I remembered even a time out doesn't guarantee you won't get a delay of game penalty.
I know the Lamar contract issue hangs over everything, but it will be a real shame if he leaves the Ravens and we never have a chance to see what he can do without Roman as the OC.
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I have been waiting to discuss this topic at a point where it might not turn to another discussion of Lamar's mechanics/injuries/behavior/etc. I figure now may be the best chance, since we're not talking about how things looked on Sunday.
Here are the QBs drafted in the first round over the past 10 years (parentheses indicate what pick was used):
2013 - EJ Manuel (16)
2014 - Blake Bortles (3), Johnny Manziel (22), Teddy Bridgewater (32)
2015 - Jameis Winston (1), Marcus Mariota (2)
2016 - Jared Goff (1), Carson Wentz (2), Paxton Lynch (26)
2017 - Mitchell Trubisky (2), Patrick Mahomes (10), Deshaun Watson (12)
2018 - Baker Mayfield (1), Sam Darnold (3), Josh Allen (7), Josh Rosen (10), Lamar Jackson (32)
2019 - Kyler Murray (1), Daniel Jones (6), Dwayne Haskins (15)
2020 - Joe Burrow (1), Tua Tagovailoa (5), Justin Herbert (6), Jordan Love (26)
2021 - Trevor Lawrence (1), Zach Wilson (2), Trey Lance (3), Justin Fields (11), Mac Jones (15)
2022 - Kenny Pickett (20)
Some thoughts:
That's a lot of swings and misses in the first round. It's particularly noteworthy to me that in the top 5, there have been 14 QBs picked, and you can make a pretty good argument that 10 of those have been busts.
Only 3 of the 30 QBs drafted over the past 10 years have made the Super Bowl, with an overall Super Bowl record of 1-3 (Mahomes 1-1, Burrow and Goff 0-1).
6 teams have drafted QBs twice over that 10 year span. The second of those picks has worked out for Buffalo, may be working out for Jacksonville and Chicago, underachieved in Arizona, and has been a two-pick mess in Cleveland (Manziel, Mayfield) and with the New York Jets (Darnold, Wilson).
These are the numbers that scare me when we talk about a plan to get a bunch of picks back, get a placeholder at QB and draft the QB of the future. I have literally zero interest in giving Lamar a blank check or a fully guaranteed contract, but I think it's worth acknowledging that starting from scratch on a rookie contract can be a risk with significant downside.
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1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:
And btw, the tweet wasn’t even that bad that was directed at him. The guy didn’t say anything derogatory or even wrong.
I get it, Lamar was pissed and he will probably address it and apologize but it’s a bad look for a guy who wants a franchise to hand him franchise defining and changing money.
People can debate many aspects of Lamar's game, but I think it's inarguably true that Lamar has cost himself money in multiple ways this year. Yes, the level of play is down from previous years, but it's also body language and these sort of decisions.
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That game was like a greatest hits album of every bad aspect of this team - the whole season rolled into one game. Anyone who came into the game with an ax to grind - Lamar, defensive collapses, in-game coaching - everyone eats well tonight.
At least our defensive has proven to be equal-opportunity chokers - they go soft if the offense collapses in the 4th quarter and if the offense doesn't start until the 4th quarter.
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So in Gofannon childhood movie terminology, the Harbaugh/Roman decision to have Lamar run an ineffective west coast passing offense to tire out the opponent in the first half is the equivalent of Rocky II, when Rocky fought right-handed and had the mess beaten out of him until he reverted to his southpaw bread and butter.
As with just about anything Harbaugh-related, there was also a touch of this:
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When I was a kid, my father used to turn off O's games when we had a lead going into the 9th inning. I'd ask him why and he would say "I know what's supposed to happen, and if it doesn't, I don't want to see it."
That may be the approach to take at around 3:15 on Sunday.
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14 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:
Do you think that’s his fault?
I think he'd have had at least a few more if he had caught the ball that hit him right in his hands to start our final drive yesterday. I don't remember seeing him running around open at any point this year.
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3 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:
40% of 4thQ drives have ended in a turnover.
The entire team/coaching staff has come up small at the end of games this year. No lead feels safe because no lead is safe.
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I will say that it's been striking to watch the difference in intensity on the sidelines this year. Coaching, players, everyone. Even in the first game, the Jets looked like they wanted it more than we did. We just beat them.
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No, you are a troll, but Lamar lost this game for them. Both things can be true.
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5 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:
So I’d Iike to get your honest feedback on that floater!
Nah….TERRIBLE
If you get any argument on that one I would be surprised. Really bad.
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A general lack of focus and intensity, and we are letting the Giants hang around. Not good.
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4 hours ago, Roll Tide said:
Why not …Testaverde use to put points up in gobs. Then at crucial points later in the game he’d throw interceptions and then the teams he played for would lose. The rest of number 1 is just more of the blaming everybody else. It’s a fact that he played like crap in the 4th quarter in both of the loses. In the Bengals game he drove for the winning field goal but he overthrew 2 wide open receivers or the game isn’t close. He’s not beyond criticism especially when he wants a fully guaranteed contract for around $250 million.
I don’t mind Allen but I think he’s a reckless runner. Yes Mahomes is a pipe dream, Rodgers when he was younger, and I agree on Herbert. But, if they move on from Lamar they will take a pile of picks with multiple first rounders and the next Ravens QB will come from the draft. They might have to go with a stop gap a season or two while they look for the right one. We can discuss that when it happens.
Id point out LJs other shortcomings but it would just tip off an ugly conversation. And frankly I don’t want to go there.
BTW, when I was leaving the Bengals game there was a guy screaming the whole way out in the crowd how great Lamar was and that nobody has an answer for him. He was obnoxiously drunk and all, but he obviously felt that way. I thought to myself perhaps it was an in the moment thing. I wondered if he went to the 2 prior games where there was indeed an answer.
As I mentioned, he does some great things. But, he is not beyond criticism and his game has a number of flaws.
I was going to stay out of this, really I was. Some things:
- This is really the only board that I go to for Ravens discussions, and that's not the case for you. Is there a chance you're just conflating all of the boards and thinking that's what's been said here? I've really never seen the Lamar blinders you're talking about here. When you were baiting ArtVanDelay you suggested that people have no nuance with him, think he's the GOAT and want him to have a blank check written for him. In reality, I see more people that either waffle on signing him or don't want to sign him. If you're citing what you've heard either on other boards or from a drunk guy leaving the stadium, you can do that, but it's not what's posted here.
- In the Ravens/Patriots game, Lamar Jackson threw 4 TD passes, ran for one, and threw one interception. What was your total contribution to the game thread? One word - "Terrible" - posted right after the INT. The post was totally predictable. You may think that everyone else is a Lamar apologist for NOT posting that after the INT. I don't know what to tell you.
- I thank you for keeping the conversation focused to what happens on the field, but you've made enough other comments about other topics over the past few years that it's hard for me not to include those in your perspectives.
- When Tony posts the stat on QB rating vs the blitz, those are facts as well. Your "Or maybe no better" comment was just as predictable as your "Terrible" comment in the Patriots game thread.
- To say "Sure, the defense was bad at the end of the Miami game, but Lamar..." brushes past the fact that our defense gave up 233 yards in 15 minutes. Again, 233 yards in 15 minutes.
There's more, I guess, but it's a shame, because you obviously care a lot about the team and know a lot about football and the Ravens. Unfortunately, when I see your posts, I just wait for some snide Lamar comment, and you're usually right on time.
A number of us have our punching bags, to be fair. Tony's got Biscotti, Sports Guy has Roman, and I'm no Harbaugh fan. It does feel like you feel the need to broach your opinion loudly and at every opportunity.
He was not very good for much of the game last week. He is careless with the football at times. Second half offense needs to improve. I don't think anyone on this board would argue those things. He is not a perfect quarterback. There isn't one. The contract situation is complicated and either solution is a big risk. A big contract makes for big salary cap complications. Trading him for draft picks doesn't guarantee you success either.
I guess I just wish you were less reflexive and predictable and more nuanced in your posts. You do yourself a disservice and detract from your other, more insightful thoughts about the rest of the team and the season. It seems like this is a hill you wish to die on, though - as you said, nobody's going to change anyone's mind at this point. Just try to be accurate in what you're posting (if you can show me someone advocating for a $500 million contract on this board, I'd be interested to see it).
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3 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:
Yea I’m with Harbaugh most of the time on those calls but today was dumb.
And honestly, you have to factor in the idea that Roman can’t call plays inside the 5 yard line.
Shouldn't that have been factored in during Harbaugh's failed 2 point conversion extravaganza last year?
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I have heard some folks say that Lamar holding out until the start of the regular season or until Week 10 helps him, but I don't see that at all. If he reports for the opener, it's his first go-round with a new offense and he'll be rusty, which will hurt his performance. If he holds out into the regular season, then he's missed part of three straight seasons and reinforced the idea that he's stubborn and hard to work with. He's also a year older, which may not make a difference for a pocket passer but will for a running QB looking for a long-term deal.