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19 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:
Harbaugh said the analytics say the call is to go for the TD there at the end.
Can analytics take into account what juncture the game is in? Because as soon as they didn't score, the Bills only needed to get within field goal range and they could run out the clock. That's the part that has been the issue for the past 12 months - coaching the game in the 4th quarter the same way as the 1st quarter.
Also, it's not like they were on the 1 yard line, they were on the 3. (Not that we're any good from the 1 yard line either.)
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15 minutes ago, Spy Fox said:
But my confidence in Harbaugh & co used to be high and has faded a lot. I wish I could say the team would learn from its mistakes thus far but they've been making similar mistakes for years now. Miami (with Tua) and Buffalo are both good but to blow this sort of lead twice in a row suggests bad game planning.
He has been outcoached so many times recently. Think of all of the losses we can pin on his coaching decisions in the last 12 months.
Two playoff wins in 9 years. Will it ever end?
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1 minute ago, ArtVanDelay said:
Oweh is looking like a bust.
Nothing but a speed rush every down.
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2 hours ago, Roll Tide said:
I can’t point to exact plays ….but you need 10 yards for a 1st down and they obviously failed to get it at least 5 times in that quarter. I remember a few passes thrown behind receivers and the misfire which we are lucky wasn’t a pick. I believe it was around our own 20.
Can you please at least try for accuracy instead of exaggeration? They had 4 possessions total in the 4th quarter, and the final one was the last 14 seconds of the game and shouldn't count.
The drives were:
5 plays, 34 yards, ending on a pass that hit Likely in the hands. No guaranteed points but would've been a first down and killed more clock.
3 plays, 3 yards, including a terrible pass that could've been a pick-six.
6 plays, 42 yards, FG.
You're going to take your part of the conversation however you want, but please at least try to be accurate in what you're saying.
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6 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:
Ehh, not sure I agree. The second half was putrid and the play calling was terrible. I know the yards and points were there but not sure that was because of Roman.
I'm just saying that when you give up 28 points and 233 yards in the fourth quarter, Roman shouldn't (and won't) be the headline.
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12 minutes ago, Finisher said:
The second they retained him, they doomed this season.
And for such a "run game genius" his run game sure is dependent on Lamar and having a stud RB.
All of this said, there will be days to be focusing on Greg Roman's coaching. Today is not that day.
What a defensive disaster coupled with some standard-issue overaggressive coaching from Harbaugh. Can someone please let him know this is not our offense from 2019?
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15 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:
Btw, when I say they need to do more, I mean you have to get more first downs. Do some more to keep the defense off the field. They have obviously scored enough but the quick plays hurt you as well as help you.
But you definitely need some drives where even if you don’t score, you get a few first downs. You use up some clock. Ravens have 3 drives this half where they have had the ball for 1:35 or less.
36 rushing yards from anyone other than Lamar today. It is almost impossible to lose the time of possession by 10 minutes when you have a drive that lasts over 10 minutes.
First drive - 10:52.
Total time of possession - 25:13.
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3 hours ago, Roll Tide said:
Great …so instead of be guided by an agent he’s being used by the union.
I agree with you. If this report is accurate then this is an issue. Agents, however slimy they may be, are only looking out for their client. The union is concerned with Lamar's needs but also prioritizing what his contract will mean for the rest of the QBs out there. This was not good news.
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3 hours ago, Redskins Rick said:
thanks
my dilemma, start Dobbins for some touches, or play my weak backup RB (Zach Moss)
Dobbins and Moss are your only options? Are you in a 22 team league?
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This situation seems very similar to what happened against the Rays less than a month ago when Chirinos was at the plate, only this time we had the overreacting pitcher. How was it different?
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9 minutes ago, MurphDogg said:
The magic of Mo Gaba day!
I can actually hear Mo's laugh if that play was described to him.
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MLB Network listed him as a pitcher and then two of the first three highlights had a ball getting launched over the wall. We finally draft a pitcher and his only highlights involve giving up home runs? Glad to see he's a two-way player and that was him at the plate.
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Sunday night's second round had draft picks read by drunk former major leaguers. Wouldn't it be amazing if the third round picks were presented by wildly hungover former major leaguers? Would be great to see Demper walk up there with a bloody mary in his hand.
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21 minutes ago, SteveA said:
Pretty sure Demper has had a few.
Looked like he had them with Fred McGriff.
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20 hours ago, eddie83 said:
Not directly related but I had to share this.
This made me laugh about as hard as I've laughed in a long time.
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I have 9:31am in the pool that predicts when this thread gets locked.
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38 minutes ago, Frobby said:
My “ridiculous” description was aimed at the specific arguments that you made for Cuellar in your prior post:
1. Relying on the fact that Cuellar’s W-L record was somewhere close to Mussina’s, without accounting for the fact that Cuellar played on much better teams.
2. Relying on the fact that Cuellar had a lower raw ERA, without accounting for the fact that Mussina played in a more hitter-friendly era, in a more hitter-friendly ballpark, and had nowhere near the defensive support that Cuellar did.
3. Relying on the fact that Cuellar went to three World Series, again without accounting for the fact that Cuellar’s teammates were way better than Mussina’s.So, now I’m going to your “Mussina hated pitching beyond the sixth or seventh inning” argument. In his 9.5 seasons in Baltimore, Mussina finished top 5 in the league in IP four times, top 10 six times. He was in the top 5 in complete games twice, top 10 five times. By my count, he pitched at last into the 8th inning in 125 of his 288 starts as an Oriole. So that argument is flatly wrong.
The “Mussina never won anything” argument is just a rehash of the “Cuellar went to three WS” argument, addressed above.
Please understand that I haven’t argued that Mussina’s number should be retired. I’m essentially neural on that. But his case to have his number retired is better than Cuellar’s.
You want to retire the number in honor of their combined accomplishments? I could get behind that. The Yankees retired number 8 in honor of both Bill Dickey and Yogi Berra; they didn’t choose who deserved it more. That would have been a very close call if the Yankees had to choose. Much closer than Cuellar vs. Mussina.
One of my biggest problems with retiring Cuellar’s number, is what do you do with McNally?
There is no true argument in favor of retiring Mike Cuellar's number and no one has ever suggested it before now. It is only a weak part of an argument not to retire Mussina’s number.
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9 hours ago, Frobby said:
How ridiculous is this argument? Mussina had a better W-L record while playing on worse teams. He played in a much more offense-friendly era than Cuellar. Mussina’s 130 ERA+ as an Oriole dwarfs Cuellar’s 109. I loved Cuellar but Mussina was by far the better pitcher. The fact that Cuellar played on three WS teams is irrelevant, it just reflects that Cuellar had a much better team around him than Mussina did.
It's too bad they retired Cal's number without thinking of Andy Etchebarren. He played on three WS teams as well. Are we up to that point yet?
Let's stop the Mike Cuellar talk. I think many of the people who are bringing him up weren't even alive when he pitched. He was a good pitcher. Mussina was our best pitcher since Palmer. Number retirement aside, they are in different categories.
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4 minutes ago, Frobby said:
By “greatest Oriole” do you mean greatest player while he was an Oriole, or greatest overall player who spent part of his career as an Oriole? Either way, the answer to the first question is probably yes, unless you’re going to include great overall players who wore the black and orange for a short time.
Definitely asking about greatest player as an Oriole. There have been plenty of MLB Hall of Famers who passed through Baltimore briefly and would never be part of a conversation like this.
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Two questions:
Is Mussina the greatest Oriole not to have his number retired?
For those who vote no on this, if Mussina had signed with the Los Angeles Dodgers instead of the Yankees, would your answer be different?
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26 minutes ago, SteveA said:
I wonder if these idiots realize that Adley is like the 7th player to wear 35 since Mussina left. Did they sound the alarm when Adam Plutko wore it last year???
I sounded the alarm, but mostly it was because Adam Plutko was on the Baltimore Orioles.
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5 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:
Hey! Geronimo Gil once had 12 home runs in an actual major league season!
Actually, I think you're conflating the 2000 and 2001 sell offs, but nevertheless were all pretty terrible. The return on all that was Trinidad Hubbad, Luis Rivera, Fernando Lunar, Miguel Felix, Juan Figueroa, Jason Lakman, Brook Fordyce, Leslie Brea, Mike Kinkade, Melvin Mora, Jose Leon, Mark Nussbeck, Chris Richard. Really only Mora and arguably Fordyce were worth anything. And nobody including Syd Thrift had any inkling that then-29-year-old utility guy Mora would have 3-4 years of near-MVP level performance in him.
It would've been nice to spread those deals out over two years, but all of these deals happened in 2000. (The SABR article will remind all of how dominant Mussina can be while also annoying Mussina detractors with his quote about remaining an Oriole)
https://sabr.org/gamesproj/game/august-1-2000-orioles-mike-mussina-pitches-1-hitter-and-strikes-out-15-twins/#:~:text=On August 1%2C the 2000,as relief pitcher Mike Timlin. -
15 minutes ago, OriolesMagic83 said:
Mussina's number should have been retired, but he shouldn't get a statue. The old mantra for not retiring Mussina's number was that he wasn't in the Hall of Fame. If the Hall of Fame put an Oriole on his plaque, the O's would come up with a new reason not to retire his number. There was a lot of hard feelings and pettiness both ways. Shouldn't a player get to chose his own cap, within reason? Wade Boggs supposedly wanted to go into the Hall of Fame with a Yankee cap is out of bounds, IMO.
I may be wrong, but I don't remember a lot of pettiness from Mussina. He re-signed with the Orioles in 1997 at what was labeled a "garden variety contract" by Tom Glavine. In 2000, two months before he hit free agency, the Orioles traded away 6 major league players (Surhoff, Bordick, Baines, Charles Johnson, Will Clark, Mike Timlin) for next to nothing. He was then offered less money to play for an inferior organization that would go on to have 11 consecutive losing seasons after his departure. His other option was to make more money for a franchise that had won 3 straight World Series. The last-minute offer increase from the O's was too little, too late, done to save face and was as convenient as this title-winning requirement to have his number retired.
I'm sorry it was the Yankees and it hurt at the time, but it made perfect sense.Mussina was always a bit aloof and standoffish. I once heard Phil Wood say that he was a guy who wanted everyone to know that he was the smartest guy in the room. He was also the best pitcher we've had in the past 40 years. Complicated situation, but I wish people would just let his contributions to the team (including the best post-season performance I've ever seen) outweigh his decision to abandon a sinking ship.
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27 minutes ago, btdart20 said:
Still early, but his splits are rough.
2022 day/night -
Day: .063/.111/.063 (.174 OPS)
Night: .292/.361/.646 (1.007 OPS)
But Low-A was similar in 2021 -
Day: .000/.167/.000 (.167 OPS)
Night: .344/.442/.604 (1.046 OPS)
2022 righty/lefty splits are a work in progress too -
vs. Lefty: .167/.211/.222 (.433 OPS)
vs. Righty: .270/.338/.619 (.957 OPS)
Low A in 2021 -
vs Lefty: .250/.429/.313 (.742 OPS)
vs Righty: .322/.413/.589 (1.002 OPS)
He's the anti-Wayne Gross! Wayne was a 3B who ambled into the hearts of O's fans from Oakland in 1984.
Day (40 games) - 11 HR, 33 RBI, .282/.380/.655 (1.034 OPS)
Night (87 games) - 11 HR, 31 RBI, .185/.331/.341 (.672 OPS)
As a 14 year old with a new Sunday afternoon season ticket plan, Wayne Gross was a hitting machine.
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Time To Fire Harbaugh
in Ravens
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Serious question - do you think this version of Harbaugh would've gone for 2 after the Mile High Miracle? He would've, right?