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  1. 53 minutes ago, OriolesMagic83 said:

    No disputing that football is more popular, but baseball has drawn very well in other cities w/ a quality product like New York, Boston, Atlanta, LA, and St. Louis.  A consistent winner is required and doing things first class to welcome fans and not drive them away.  The way the Angelos family has tried to do everything cheaply and been dismissive of fans has been a factor on decreasing attendance.  Maybe not as much as 14 years of losing but definitely a strong factor.  I think the days of regular sellouts are gone d/t proximity of Nationals, but I don't see any reason the O's can't average 30k+/game going forward.  There should be plenty of money to support a mid market payroll.  Baseball is a distant 3rd behind basketball and football in marketing its' stars.  Players like Adley and Gunnar w/ their electric personalities are a goldmine to a franchise.  O's have done very little to take advantage of that. 

    The first four cities on your list dwarf Baltimore in terms of population and market size. St. Louis admittedly has clung to baseball very closely, which is due in part to their incredible history of success but also, I think, to the fact that they at best were only ever borrowing the Rams.

    There are no shortage of gripes that can be dumped on the Angelos family, but there were periods where they spent, too. Just not always wisely.

    The Baltimore Orioles are second fiddle to the Baltimore Ravens and that was happening no matter what.

  2. 1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

    It's on the upswing.

    It would definitely appear as if the changes Manfred and his team have enacted, and the pretty substantial marketing campaign the league has bought into, has had the desired effect. Good on them.

  3. 31 minutes ago, Uli2001 said:

    I think that given the way the Orioles are playing right now, and the somewhat soft schedule left, they can do better than .500. The chance of getting to 100 is real, which would be something else.

    Expecting .500 to still win the division would be bold, anyway. Tampa’s still only 3 back and have a similar remaining schedule, including obviously the 4 in Baltimore. 

  4. 4 minutes ago, Billy F-Face3 said:

    There's legitimate cause for concern about attendance as football gets going and school starts back up. It seems Americans care more about the NFL than they do MLB baseball these days, so given the choice between Ravens football or Orioles baseball, you have to wonder how many sports fans would choose baseball if they can't go to both. E

    Which would be a shame because this could be a once in a lifetime Championship season and you wouldn't want to miss it! 

    Americans have favored the NFL over MLB for decades now.

    I’ve said it before, and this is not a slight against the Ravens at all, as it’s of course not remotely their fault or their problem, but a football team returning the Baltimore was the worst thing that could have ever happened to the Orioles. Far worse than the arrival of the Nationals. The Ravens coming to town made the Orioles a second-class sporting event.

    Yes, the franchise compounded that problem with a lot of losing not very long after football’s return, but it was an inevitable shift either way. Football is just that much more popular.

  5. 4 hours ago, sportsfan8703 said:

    If Ohtani wants the best possible situation to win then it is with us. How much of our “market” could we win back to Ohtani signs here?  The Nats are real down. Boston and Nee York are down too. All of the bandwagon fans. 

    Let’s say Ohtani made 18 starts at home in OPACY. How many would be sellouts?  10? 15?

    There is no universe where the Baltimore Orioles sign Shohei Ohtani.

  6. 14 minutes ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

    It's good, but my superstitious side doesn't like tempting the baseball gods. Just keep winning series and beat up on a Mets team that's given up on this season.

    If people chatting on message boards or Twitter could truly jinx anything, no team in the league would actually ever win the World Series. It'd just somehow have to get canceled every year. Or won by late-arriving extraterrestrials.

    And to answer the question... as others have noted, since we don't have anyone that's head and shoulders above the rest, our "top" playoff pitcher will very much be whoever is dealing the best at that time. And truthfully I'd say it could be any of the five guys in the current rotation, with Kremer having the worst odds.

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  7. 3 hours ago, Hallas said:

    I just find this weird considering Cooperstown ultimately decides whose team appears on the cap when they get inducted.

     

    I mean, I guess Mussina could have lobbied harder for an O's cap, but it still feels like a petty excuse.

    The Hall reserves the right, yes, but has always, always admitted they speak to the player in question about what they’d like on the cap. If Mussina had a specific stance, it would have been recognized.

    Greg Maddux, for example, was directly involved in selecting a blank cap for his plaque because he felt he owed it to both Chicago and Atlanta.

  8. 1 minute ago, dystopia said:

    I mean they did trade Adam Jones, George Sherrill, and Chris Tillman for Erik Bedard…

    Ancient history. But those are still the kinds of trades it takes to get controllable starting pitchers. Especially ones that flash that kind of stuff. People forget that Bedard still had control left, had been healthy for several seasons, and was an ace.

    Seattle caught the bad side of the coin and the guy was never healthy for them. Tough sledding.

  9. 2 minutes ago, dystopia said:

    If Westburg was traded we’d probably know by now wouldn’t we?

    Maybe? Teams certainly don't want these things to leak mid-game if they can avoid it, and we know the Orioles are very good at keeping things quiet.

    Even discounting the fact that maybe Hyde just wanted to make some changes...Guys could be randomly pulled because their names are being discussed, but a trade hasn't been finalized yet, etc.

  10. 3 hours ago, Bemorewins said:

    I think that there will be a serious cost to not doing anything in terms of alienating a big segment of their potential customer/fanbase. 

    Mostly everyone already has suspensions about John Angelos. And the Orioles do not enjoy the best reputation in the community. 

    For some people who have put up with a lot of awfulness by this org, to get this close and then decide to pass/punt because of pure cheapness, it may do serious damage to a brand that was still trying to repair itself.

    I think the average fan will shrug no matter what happens the next 48 hours. They'll either say man I wish we got a guy, or well I hope the guy we got is good. There's no slam dunk move out there that's changing the fate of the franchise.

    An incredibly, incredibly small number of fans are sitting at home saying John Angelos, you'd better make a move or I'm out!

    And really that number should be zero, but some folks are gonna be weird.

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