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15 minutes ago, ChangeRoadUnis said:
I chewed tobacco for 11 years, quitting in 1988. I never once spilled my tobacco juice on anyone and I've never had anyone spill their juice on me. So, I think your reaction is completely overblown.
I'm not saying spilling alone is reason enough to ban it, it's one of multiple.
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I guess I'm getting old.
I've come full circle on stuff like this. I started dipping at 16 and after going back and forth with it for 25+ years, I finally quit for good about a year and a half ago.
I absolutely, positively started dipping because of baseball.
Long story short, it's just not necessary. It's just not. People that chew and dip need to spit and there's no good place to spit at a ballpark. And yes, as someone who spit in a plastic bottle for the entire time I dipped, I realize it's possible but then you have bottles of spit that often get spilled (I spilled countless myself). If I take my kids to a game and someone spills their spit bottle on/near them, there's going to be a problem. I've seen that happen. As a lifelong dipper and season ticket holder, I don't want to hear or see someone obnoxiously spitting next to me for 3 hours. I see that ALL the time too.
As far as legal weed and beer, I don't have the perfect answer for that (except gimme some) and I don't necessarily disagree. But two (or more) wrongs don't make it right either. Pointing at something else that's bad as justification doesn't lead to getting anywhere. I love having a couple of Stella's at the game, but at the same time, I'd be okay with no beer at a stadium. But do I want to pay more for my tickets for that? No, not really.
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25 minutes ago, Hank Scorpio said:
I guess if you want to nitpick, it's because we haven't really seen the kid have to adjust a whole lot. At the big league level, he's going to have to make adjustments. It's baseball.
There's no harm in giving him a few more at bats at Norfolk.
Probably also no harm putting him out at second base either.
I get the nitpicking. I was asking for the aforementioned "plenty of reason" not nitpicking.
We haven't seen him adjust to a whole lot? Didn't he just play in all 3 milb levels last year and look fantastic while doing it? That's not MLB pitching, I get it, but you don't rip comfortably through 3 levels like that if you aren't able to make adjustments. He succeeded at 4 levels within about 7 months last year, including MLB ST (yes, sss along with AAA). I don't think his ability to make adjustments is of any concern. And yes, of course he could struggle at MLB, but then again (and as we've seen) so can guys who've spent a year or two at AAA.
May or may not be OD, but we'll see soon enough.
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23 hours ago, Frobby said:
I think people are so amazed by Holliday’s meteoric rise through the minors last year that they can’t get their head around the idea that at 20 years old he might not be ready to be a dominant player in MLB.
ZiPS is projecting both Adley and Gunnar to be significantly more valuable than Holliday over each of the next three seasons. I’m not saying ZiPS is right, but there’s plenty of reason to think we might need to tap the brakes on Holliday just a bit.
I never said anything about him being "ready to be a dominant" player, nor did I imply he'll be better than Adley or Gunnar "soon" (although I don't think it's out of the question in the not too distant future)....not sure why you're adding words and taking that angle in your response. I simply stated an opinion that some fans may be so mesmerized with Gunnar that they can't imagine anyone else. It's a good problem to have. In my opinion, Holliday is ready and I want the best roster from day 1.
And please tell me what is the "plenty of reason" to tap the brakes on Holliday.
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20 hours ago, emmett16 said:
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I’ve said it 100 time now and I’ll say it again. There’s no chance Holliday isn’t on the OD roster. He’s too good.
I think people have been so enamored with Adley and Gunnar and they're on such a high from those two (and rightfully so, not knocking it)....that they can't wrap their head around the fact that Jackson is almost certainly the best of the 3.
I think Holliday should be on the OD roster, but I won't be surprised if he's not.
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He wasn't here long, but Gerardo Parra had an excellent arm. He won a couple of gold gloves.
Jesse Barfield had a cannon. Raul Mondesi. Dave Parker. Ichiro. Ankiel. Griffey. Winfield.
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40 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:
I might be in the minority, but I'm pretty excited to see some City Connect themed giveaways. That Hawaiian shirt is
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If you say so! I'm not feeling it. I don't hate the floppy hat, but those Hawaiian shirts would be headed straight to ebay.
I'm happy with some bobbleheads.....Hyde, Santander, Rutschman, Gunnar. I wish they mixed in at least one older player each year, but I can't complain with this years lineup. My girls will want the wristlets.
I'm just over an hour away, so the promotions have always been fun for my daughters and I. Makes it easier to pick games. My favorite is probably a Jim Palmer jersey (was given out I believe in July, several years ago) that I was able to get him to autograph at Fanfest. I have dozens (and dozens) of bobbleheads.
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52 minutes ago, terpoh said:
I dont know that being good at SS just automatically translates to 3B. Not saying hes not better at 3B, but I just liked what I saw of him at SS. There is no guarantee that either Ortiz or Holiday will play a better SS in the big leagues either. Gunnar is on pace to be a free agent at 27 so not sure we'll have to worry about him in his 30's. Would love that, but I have no faith in Angelos to allow the kind of extension its going to take. But he's also about as athletic as you can be at 6'3 225. Hes not some lumbering big man.
I think we all saw him do well there and like him there. Gunnar is the man, I get it. I'm not saying he can't play SS by any means. But it's not just a matter of one position, it's a matter of putting the best possible defense on the field. Everyone loves Gunnar, but that doesn't mean Ortiz and/or Holliday can't play the spot just as well or possibly better.
There are always exceptions, but speaking specifically about Gunnar and not generally, I think sliding from SS to 3b would translate very well with him. If you have the athleticism and reflexes to play SS, you can probably pick it at 3b. Range is less valuable at 3b (which is why Brooks played there) and the arm is arguably more valuable. Gunnar has a good arm, which is often the part that doesn't always allow a SS to slide over.
And you're absolutely right, there is no guarantee on Ortiz or Holliday. I get that and I'm okay with leaving Henderson there if they are underwhelming, but if they are what it sounds like they (hopefully) are, I think the best defensive left side is Ortiz/Holliday at SS and Gunnar at 3b. Personally, I think Holliday is the guy at SS but maybe not in 2024.
I'm really REALLY looking forward to ST.
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1 hour ago, RZNJ said:
Why does it matter what position Henderson plays in his 30’s? He’s 22.
I know he's 22, and that's why I also said I wouldn't have any issue with him playing SS for now.
However, his size is uncommon for the position - not unheard of, but uncommon. I realize that he's obviously shown that he can handle the position (for now) but if they have comparable defensive alternatives for SS (which I think we are all hoping that they do in Ortiz and/or Holliday), and if Henderson is likely to be moved in the future, my opinion/preference would be to move him now (or as soon as possible) and establish the left side as it will hopefully remain for years to come. IMO, Gunnar is the best 3b option in the organization....so put him there.
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34 minutes ago, terpoh said:
It seems like a lot of people sleep on Gunnar's defense at SS. He is elite and should be locked in at SS until proven otherwise. He was amazing defensively when he took over the position full time.
If he's elite at SS, all of that translates to 3b also. Especially factoring in his size. He's absolutely built for 3b. If you have another plus option at SS (Ortiz? Holliday?), moving him makes sense and would create a lockdown left side. I haven't seen Ortiz and Holliday play...sounds like Ortiz is hopefully the real deal, but I dunno.
If you want him at SS for now, I wouldn't disagree, but long term....how many 6'3" 225 lb shortstops can you think of in their 30's? Historically, how many gold glovers can you think of that big besides Cal (who won 2 in 15 years)?
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15 hours ago, Roll Tide said:
I believe they have this right! I believe Gunner is a Plus defender at SS but a Plus Plus at 3B, and Ortiz is a Plus Plus defender at SS.
https://www.mlb.com/news/roundtable-what-makes-gunnar-henderson-the-top-prospect
I've always felt this way about Gunnar. He's certainly capable of being a good SS, but to me, he's a 3b. I felt the same way about Manny.
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14 hours ago, Roll Tide said:
'''''' Waiting for Sports Guy to tell you how dumb you are for posting anything published by SI and they are now just in it for clicks******
This article is just is under the ESPN paywall.
I think we need to invest in a starter rather than drop $10 million per. Elias has never given a free agent a multi year deal buyt is going to hand out 3/30?
He wouldn't be wrong. SI has been straight garbage....as has most offseason reporting. I know it's the day and age that we're in (clicks and likes) but it's gotten absolutely ridiculous.
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It's a shame they stopped having Fanfest. I took my young kids a few years in a row and they loved it (I also enjoyed it as much as they did). I have no doubt it helped fuel their interest as O's fans. Every now and then they still ask about it.....YEARS later. I think the last year we went was the year that Manny and Schoop backed out. I don't even know when they ended - maybe that was the last one?
Regardless....poor decision by the Orioles. It may not have been profitable for them (although they raked in a ton from me!!), but they were absolutely cultivating young fans with the experience.
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I was hoping they would trade him last year when he started off hot and was hitting .350ish with a handful of home runs in late April/early May. But obviously they didn't and he fell off and was back to batting .220something probably by the end of May.
If he could be serviceable in CF, that's huge. Also, despite his shortcomings offensively, he is absolutely a weapon on the bases.
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48 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:
It depends on the alternatives. If the Os can have Cease by surrendering one of the 2 OFers and they don’t do it, it should be because they have another deal for an upper echelon starter.
It will be a complete failure of an offseason if the Os don’t add a real starter to this rotation.
So you'd be willing to give anything for a starter? Okay with an overpay for a rental?
Without knowing ALL details and unless you know all the potential deals that were offered, negotiated and rejected, you can't say that.
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59 minutes ago, forphase1 said:
Just to be clear, I never said that Holiday NEEDS more time in the minors. Just that I think Mayo is more ready to face MLB pitching right now than Holiday is, largely due to the amount of at bats and performance by both at the AAA level.
We're clear, you didn't say that (I also didn't say that you did). I was responding to the "Mayo is more ready today" part. The difference in their AAA experience is less than 200 PAs.
In a do or die situation, today...right now, I'll take Holliday. ST should be interesting.
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22 minutes ago, Safelykept said:
Plus he was the only one that hit Clean Up last year?
Lol. He usually DIDN'T hit clean up (35% of his PAs), but I was just going along with SportsFans emotionally fueled (and rather nonsensical) label of "clean up hitter"
Interestingly enough, Mountcastle hit .216 with a .567 OPS batting 4th.
But they won 101 games, so....I'm wrong.
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1 hour ago, forphase1 said:
Yeah, basically. Mayo has shown all he needs against AAA competition. Holiday hasn't yet. I believe that if both were given MLB at bats today that Mayo would out perform Holiday at least for the first couple of months. Long term I think Holiday will be a better mlb hitter, but Mayo is more ready today IMO. Speaking bat only, not fielding of course.
I would politely disagree. Holiday didn't scorch at AAA like he has at each of the other levels, but he had a better start there than Mayo did. I think Holiday was 0-for his 1st 3 games, but aside from that, he did just fine. He also looked great in ST considering he was barely 19 and only had like 20 pro games under his belt. I don't think Holliday NEEDS more time in the minors. They might/probably will send him down, but it will likely be for (a combination of) other reasons more than it will be developing his bat. His bat plays now.
Mayo ended up hot obviously and put up good numbers, but I think people are discounting Holiday simply because of his age and it's so easy to say "he needs more experience". His bat is special and his eye is on another level - he gets on base 45% of the time, which is essentially unheard of. He doesn't hit for big power yet, but it's also not like he hasn't shown power. In his limited time in the minors, he's put up some crazy numbers. They are different hitters, but to me Holiday is the best hitter in the organization, and I don't think it's close.
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10 minutes ago, wse120372 said:
I cant see where Elias is happy with the production at 1st base..... First baseman (over 350 PA) who had WRC+ more than Mountcastle and O'Hearn include guys like Brandon Belt, Wilmer Flores, Luke Raley, Triston Casas, Ryan Noda, Lamonte Wade Jr, and Christian Walker.
O'Hearn and Mountcastle only saving grace is that they are still cheap.
Very true. Those 2 together were decent. However, they have a traffic jam with young position players and Mountcastle is about to become less cheap. Time to poop or get off the pot.
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14 minutes ago, RZNJ said:
I’ve never been a supporter of Mountcastle but I’m anxious to see what he does this year. After the all-star break he put up a .893 OPS with 25 walks against 43 strikeouts. Yes, he went cold in September/Oct but it was 13 games, he had the shoulder injury, and even then had 7 walks against 9 strikeouts. He went oppo more than ever last year and showed improvement in plate discipline. Maybe nothing. Maybe something. Either way, he’s not going anywhere yet.
His approach and the results were very noticeable when he came back up. It was what I had been hoping to see all along. The ability and potential has been there.
I don't know if it was the vertigo, or the reality check of realizing he was replaceable, or a combination of both. Hopefully, he carries that in 2024.
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18 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:
You’re right. I agree. Let’s just dump our 26 year old clean up hitter on a 101 win team. The Wall won’t affect Mayo like it has Mountcastle. Mayo is strong like Bull and will hit the ball into the 2nd deck.
Gotcha, great logic for keeping him...since they won 101 games, I'm wrong and Mountcastle is a stud.
By that logic, everything is perfect and they don't ever need to change a thing, right? I never mentioned Mayo, but he's one of multiple guys who can probably put up a whopping 18 HR's as a "clean up hitter" like Mountcastle did in 2023.
Sorry you don't like it, but he was flat out mediocre for most of last season....except for about 35 games. But hey, go ahead and crown him with your made up partial season award if you want to.
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27 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:
How is Mountcastle redundant? He had an .893 OPS after his bout with Vertigo last year. If they did a 2nd half MVP, he’d be in the top 5 in the AL.
No need to grab a few weeks worth of data when he has multiple seasons under his belt. If you're going to go that small with sample sizes, what was his OPS in September and October? I'll save you some time, it was horrible - literally anyone else on the roster could have put up that production. He went streaky again and basically disappeared for the last 6 weeks of the season.
He is what he is, he's a very streaky hitter with a bit of power who hasn't quite managed an .800 OPS since his rookie season (another small sample). Does it make him a whipping boy to say that?? Apparently. Maybe one day he'll start hitting the ball like some stats say he can, but I'll go with actual production, and his actual production isn't anything special.
With that being said, I'd love to see him have a monster year in 2024, but to me he isn't the guy some of you want to make him out to be. Personally (and admittedly pure speculation on my part), I think he came up with a little 1st round hype and had some success. He hit 30+ hr's in his 1st full season, got a few ROY votes, and I think he got comfortable riding on that. I just read the Buck story a few posts back - I had never heard that before but to me, it fits with my own perception of him. Obviously none of us know the entire vertigo story, but it was interesting to see him come back on absolute fire. It looked like the time in the minors might have woken him up (even though he looked pretty horrible in AAA) and he looked like the guy I've been wanting to see, and then he completely fell of the table again. Personally, I'm ready to move on...I think his production can be replaced and he's about to get more expensive. I hope he gets off to a hot start and they trade him.
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11 hours ago, forphase1 said:
With the bat he is more ready than Holiday to play in the MLB right now. Problem is where. Personally I'd love to see a starting infield that's rotated between Westburg, Henderson, Ortiz and Mayo. Let those 4 have like 95% of the starts between the 3 positions. Urias/Mateo off of the roster or hardly used, and rarely starting.
Based on what? More AAA ab's?
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mlb.com "lists" are garbage. They just put out a "list" of the best 2b post 1947. Utley was 5 and Alomar wasn't even on the list.
Robinson, Morgan, Biggio, Sandberg, Utley (whoever made the list is from Philly I guess), Grich, Whitaker, Cano, Kent.....in that order.
https://www.mlb.com/stories?s=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mlb.com%2Fstories%2Fprime-9-second-basemen
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What about Hunter Harvey?
He's settled in pretty nicely with the Nats. Recorded 10 saves last year. 2 years of control in which the Nats will be going nowhere.