Osornot
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20+ years ago...
Compare that to our GM at the time... who used a chisel to carve notes out of a rock.
Fantastic... but does remind me of what this franchise had been. Half the battle is won. A change of ownership and philosophy would do wonders (duh). Heck, a change of ownership would be good for the fans - we would never have to suffer under the "Angelos" weight.
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Nice contract. Good man. That works
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3 hours ago, Tony-OH said:
Nothing wrong with the young man wanting to still be a starter, afterall, the big money is about being a starting pitcher.
He's got the stuff to compete as a starter for sure, but his health, command record, and ability to get a ground ball continues to scream out reliever.
Would be the worse thing in the world to have him stretch out as a starter once again this spring? Probably not, but I still think his best role at the big league level will be as a high leverage reliever. He could very well be the closer next year at some point.
This. If he could be a high leverage with closer potential that would be huge - we need as close to a shutdown bullpen as possible. Spending tens of millions on SP is fine (and recommended) but when a SP gets through their 5-6 innings then what...
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Pure conjecture - I am not sure where it says PA made this decision but there are always moments when he could say that... heck, maybe he wasn't involved and JA used it as negotiating.
As far as Baltimore, maybe there is a thought that the Angelos's can get a better deal because they have a political advantage.. just a thought but I could see it coming in a package. -
ughhhhh. Someday I will learn. Fell for another "Payroll" topic. Nice job pulling that football away Lucy...
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22 hours ago, Tony-OH said:
I don't know exactly, but reading the tea leaves here a bit, perhaps they want Holt to use his skills with the younger prospects coming up and feel that now guys are a bit established and may not benefit as much.
Reading that also may indicate that Holt may be better at developing than sustaining. I honestly don't know, but the fact he was moved to the director of pitcher rather than fired indicates to me they just think he's more valuable in the other role.
I thought Gibson's comments were interesting as well. He said he thought everyone had his back but maybe not everyone liked him. The only situation that jumps out to me is how Grayson Rodriguez failed so miserably during his first stint with the Orioles, and seemed to get fixed in AAA under Ramsey.
Overall though with pitchers like McDermott, Povich, DeLeon, and Baumeister having high ceiling arms, along with the fact the Orioles drafted more arms in the top ten rounds, maybe they just want him to focused on development rather than sustaining the arms that have arrived?Gibson's comments hold more weight than anything else. When I think of who would use the most diplomacy outside of the locker room he would be at or near the top.
To me, this is a great turn of events and is called leadership. The shallow mindset of staying the course, promoting / demoting, or firing is ridiculous. They believe Holt has a talent that is important to the team's goals he was just in the wrong place (seat?) which was not conducive for success - it may be as easy as it ran out in the third year. So, they moved him where he had a better chance to help and succeed. It is as simple as the right seat, the wrong person in that seat (position). One may conclude that this means leadership did communicate plus he may have already known that his greatest value is in a different position. -
2 hours ago, Frobby said:
Hyder is what I used when my girlfriend was in my room and I heard my parents coming up the stairs.
Man, I am almost 64 years ago and stuff like this still makes me choke on my coffee. I guess there goes that maturity thing... again.
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He says that the #1 priority is the back end of the BP, which I am completely in agreement with. There is nothing that tells me TOR is a priority but "he'd like..." Am I missing something?
As it relates to starting pitching, while it would be a real surprise to see the Orioles become big players for top free agent pitchers demanding the biggest dollars, Elias indicates he'd like an addition that could impact the top half of the Orioles rotation.
"Yeah, we’re keeping it relatively open because we have to see what opportunities present themselves in this market," he said. "We’ve got two guys in (Kyle) Bradish and (Grayson) Rodriguez that basically pitched like front-end starters all year, most of the year, and they are coming back. But there is pressure on them and it would be nice to bring them some help. If we are able to import a clear upgrade to one of our rotation spots that’s going to radiate out into the rest of the rotation. We’ll see what the best opportunity is, who the best person is for the job. Whether we are able to get our hands on this guy. It is hard to narrow yourself too much going into an offseason. There are not that many people (as starters) available."
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If they did this I would say yes as I have to believe there is a plan that is risk neutral, i.e. potential TOR or #2
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51 minutes ago, RZNJ said:
Reasonable framework to you. You just need the White Sox to agree that it’s reasonable. I’m just saying what I think it would take.
I agree.
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Somehow, Someway there must be a risk-taking trade. If it's Cease (not a big fan) what we believe is an overpay now may turn into a bargain... or not. The worst thing we can do is not do anything. The longer our prospects linger in the minors the more other teams may think there is a reason why they are not in the majors, i.e., great in AAA but may never be ready for primetime. I would most definitely use that in a negotiation whether true or not.
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IDK I am just happy that he is still under contract. Maybe he and Elias have longer-term commitments than I assumed.
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Dead horse = duh.
I can say with 100% certainty. If the O's win the World Series next year that means that they will win. If they don't win that means they lost.
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3 hours ago, Sports Guy said:
In any given year, there will always be several ways to go to add to your pen.
For me, there are a few things I’m going to look for:
1) High K rate
2) Miss bats
3) throws strikes/lower walk rate
4) limits homers
Robert Stephenson checks 3 of these boxes. The box he doesn’t check is homers allowed. That limits what I would give him in terms of a contract but if Walltimore can help him limit the homers, he has the ability to be a high leverage reliever.
I don’t think he’s going to get too big of a contract either, so I think he’s a realistic target for us.
https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/robert-stephenson-596112?stats=statcast-r-pitching-mlb
You nailed it. What we should be looking for.
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My two cents. If there is any "must-have" it is for a legit but it's going to cost $$ (and probably overspend) it is for a closer. Hader can be that closer. After that, the bullpen is a crapshoot except for Cano as the set-up. It may be an "up for grabs" strategy and include the current staff in the opportunities, which does not give me a great feeling but some had their moments.
IMO, none of the SPs really excite me for a long-term contract. I see pitchers like Sonny Gray, etc. on here - the years and $$ will be an anchor. The best way is through a trade - and it may hurt a bit...
I have some concerns about the OF - Mullin's IL stints could have been crushing but we got lucky with Hicks. I am just not sure about the young guys yet - Kjerstad will be interesting in 2024 but he is going to be 25 this year. Hays is tough. Santander is tough. I need to defer to people on here who have much more knowledge than I.
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3 hours ago, MijiT88 said:
mt. read and ridge yeah
That warms my heart
3 hours ago, MijiT88 said:mt. read and ridge yeah
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9 hours ago, forphase1 said:
I'm not a Catholic, so I can't speak for them of course. Or am I someone who claims that all Catholics are not Christians, either. That said my ex's Dad claimed he was a Catholic and not a Christian because, in his words, he followed the teachings of the Catholic church and the Pope moreso than he did the teaching of Christ.
One uninformed person does not make it so....
However, the people in my life are those I like sitting down with, maybe having a beer, and talking about things that are not always dramatic. -
21 hours ago, MijiT88 said:
My apartment is still around haha. I was born in 88 so I have yet to witness some WS action, but I will be there when it does happen!
No way... on Mt. Read?
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1 hour ago, StottyByNature said:
Verlander was the one I wanted. I also thought Eovaldi made sense.
I thought Rodon was the best of the bunch but would never have given him 6 years.
same here... even if you overspend on a 1-2 year contract (I would prefer 1 year at higher) and it's a Verlander I think the risk is worth it. But $87M for two years is ridiculous.
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Sitting in a bar called "My Office" in Rochester NY with my best friend eating chicken wings (10 cents/each) and drinking pitchers of beer. The name was not lost in the "Hey, let's go to My Office for happy hour" crowd. Even better, I spent one New Years Eve in a bar not so far away called "My Apartment". I guess it provided a plan B if you asked a young lady to "My Apartment" for a drink. The non-verbal communication would let you know whether to run with it or "I meant the bar" and appear innocent like, pfft what can of person do you think I am....
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sheesh.. sure hope Adley doesn't read this. Don't worry dude you don't look fat in that uniform.
If I had an ounce of political correctness / snowflake-ism in me I would be calling y'all out for this egregious hate speech and condition-shaming. (admin - if I need to delete this statement please feel free or let me know - I do not agree or condone my statements)
Never draft a catcher at #1-1?
How about:
Never draft a pitcher at #1-1 because "they all break". I'd rather have a "out of condition" catcher than a broken pitcher.
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Never draft a high schooler at #1-1 because they are too young....
Never draft a college senior at #1-1 because they are too old....
Never draft a college senior at #1-1 because the parents are too old....
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Maybe it's old-fashioned but there is nothing better than having home-grown talent that sticks with the team and community.
A Free Agent is more important if I knew that there was at least an effort to sign one of our young stars with a fair offer - team-friendly but fair. It's the "can't do" attitude that drives me crazy.
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As much as it can be a shut-down bullpen is mandatory. Not saying that I wouldn't like it but everything else is gravy. My guess is that we will continue the $10M starter trend.
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3 hours ago, Frobby said:
I meant what I said. If we want to win the series, we can’t lose more than twice.
By the way, every playoff series the O’s ever won, they lost either 0 or 1 game.
even worse, I misread it... yikes
Thoughts on the 2017-21 arbitration award in the MASN case
in Orioles Talk
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All the litigants probably spent more $$ on legal fees than any decision made (not based on any factual knowledge just cynicism).
Frobby - I apologize that I have never had the patience, let alone expertise, to read through all of this. Was there any breach of the original contract?