ISU94
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15 hours ago, Sports Guy said:
That’s fine..it’s just that it didn’t have anything to do with Witt and I wasn’t comping Witt to anyone. That’s why I was confused because I didn’t know (still don’t) wha the connection was.
Because there's also zero reason for Witt to be brought up in this thread either?
"Witts also playing great right now" when he actually isn't (and yes, I'm aware he's young for his placement) is just pointless.
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10 Ks thru 4.
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Make it 3/3 w/ 2 walks
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2 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:
We got a 5th starter type, a couple hitting prospects , and 6 question marks. I can’t imagine how this is better. Diaz was more highly rated than anything we picked up. The fact that we haven’t developed him doesn’t change the value at the time of the trade
One of those hitting prospects is viewed fairly highly by a lot of people. The other has a chance to be an everyday type guy in a corner spot too.
Smith has stuff also that can improve and has been on the up and up this past year with a great spin rate.
Those 6 wildcards could present a legit piece or two as well.
Im well aware of how they were viewed at the time.
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52 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:
How did Elias get more for relievers and Meh pieces?
Look at the packages we got this deadline compared to what we got for those?
I think this ones better...?
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On 9/2/2020 at 11:21 AM, glenn__davis said:
I don't, and didn't imply that I did. I just don't think he should be getting sole credit for the ranking as the post I was responding to implied.
I mean, the very top end were here but the main reason for being where we are is because of the depth of it. Most of that has been brought in via Elias, including some of the IFAs that are getting ready/already sprinkled in to that top 30.
Our farm system hasn't been this filled with solid 40-45 guys in a long, long time.
Not to mention it could be argued Elias got more for relievers/meh pieces this deadline than Duquette got for School, Machado, etc. Which is pure insanity.
This is clearly a much better run team that has a deep farm system due to the guy currently here which speaks volumes considering how short his tenure has been already. We'll see if these guys work out/it continues, but we wouldn't be close to top 10 with the past regime these past couple years as far as farm ranking. Fairly confident in that
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9 minutes ago, GoldGlove21 said:
That would make me believe that the PTBNL will be a recent signee. What other reasons are there for not announcing it?
Because they're not on the 60 man and with COVID they can't...
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1 hour ago, glenn__davis said:
The top prospect list is still largely comprised of prospects drafted or otherwise acquired from the previous regime. Save for Rutchsman and Kjerstad, who were the #1 and #2 picks overall.
He's only been year for a little under 2 years...how do you expect him to get top 100 prospects outside of the previous regime and 1st round picks that quick?
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3 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:
To me, if this reasonably continues (and I’m defining reasonably as still missing the playoffs but guys showing that they could be future pieces), does this mean they spend money in the offseason?
I have said that Stroman is probably my #1 target this offseason.
if you enter next year with Stroman, Means and Cobb as your top 3, plus have the myriad of young pitchers behind them and, of course, Hall and GRod, pushing their way up, that puts the team in good shape.
Rutschman is probably in Baltimore around the AS break if he plays at the level they believe he can.
You have Mountcastle and Diaz..if a few of the current guys become regulars, you are starting to put together a solid lineup. There are still holes, especially at SS but it’s not bad.
I like the BP upside long term as well.
I have felt that 2021 was a year where we could see the team take a big leap. Not necessarily a legit contender but a 500ish team poised to be a playoff team starting in 2022.
This season, playing out as it did, tempered that enthusiasm for me because I felt a lot of these young players were in crucial development time and many were going to see Baltimore this year. With that not happening, it made me feel the team was pushed back another year.
That being said, if the team can perform better and the FO and ownership believes in some of these guys (even if it is in a SSS), it could cause them to spend some money and bring in vets that help the team become more respectable quicker.
I don't see them spending this off-season even if success continues this year.
Gonna see what they have with the young guys the next couple years and reassess imo.
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1 minute ago, Daddy-O's said:
There is a different way of looking at things. Tampa Bay is considered a contender right now and has what some consider the best farm system in baseball. That's is not a bad place to be. If that is my goal, then yes I probably try to keep control of him during his most productive years.
TB is bringing guys up if they're ready and in a pennant race.
Just because they have a great farm doesn't mean they rush guys just to do so. I said if a guy has shown he's clearly ready.
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2 minutes ago, NCRaven said:
It seems as though you're assuming that your idea of properly challenging the player is correct and that Elias' decision was not.
Can of Corn on OH definitely knows how to property develop a player over the GM of a professional baseball organization who has been in the game for decades and been apart of some of the most successful "team builds" over the past couple decades.
Don't challenge that.
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5 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:
I think what you want to say is that "I would do things this way so I'm going to assume Elias would do the same thing."
It's not what I would do, it's what literally all organizations do.
If your competitive? You bring up guys that can help. If your not? You don't rush young guys because there's literally no net gain.
Like..what?
4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:Huh?
Do you think the way they showcased him around helped his development last year? Do you think that was what was best for the player?
I don't think Elias brought the player around to "showcase" him if he thought it would hurt him or his development...no. Thats not how a guy who is trying to rebuild a team after just taking over recently works. But you go ahead and believe that.
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Just now, Can_of_corn said:
Sure, I think he was throwing the affiliates a bone. I'm pretty sure that taking a kid getting over mono and having him play at three different affiliates over the span of a couple of months didn't do him any favors.
Hey Adley, here are your new teamates, and your new coaches and your new place to live. Don't get too comfortable you are doing it again in a couple weeks!
He's now a professional athlete in the baseball world. That's part of it, crazy I know....
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1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:
I would rather assume that someone is going to continue to act as they have previously than assume that they will change their actions.
Why would you assume he would start acting differently? What are you basing that on?
Because of the situation? Answer my question then...
We're competitive 3 years from now, have a 19-20 year old that's crushing it at all levels. We're just going to let him rot down in the minors if he's showing he's ready?
Optics man, if you seriously think how he's running a team during the beginning/during a complete rebuild when W/L don't matter will be the same when the team is going for a pennant...
Like idk what to say.
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Just now, Can_of_corn said:
To properly challenge the player? Isn't this supposed to be about player development?
He literally just got drafted. It's hardly crazy to start a guy there right out of the draft regardless of where he's at development wise out of the gate and go from there.
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Just now, Can_of_corn said:
I just said, AR is a "phenom/stud" out of college and Elias started him at rookie ball.
Ok? We're in a full rebuild. Of course he's not rushing Adley.
Say 3 years from now we're competitive and we have a 20 yr old that's crushing it at every level. You think he's going to be the same way and not bringing him up til 23-24? I guess if you want to believe that...
Optics is important here.
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Just now, Can_of_corn said:
I said with the way he's been running things.
He's been very conservative with promotions to date.
As for "the kind of guy", well you could make a case that AR could have started at A+ or even AA last year and Elias had him playing rookie, A- and A ball.
Of course he has, why rush the clock when you're not competitive and have nothing to gain?
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9 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:
I was looking at the forum when you posted and I wasn't when they posted.
Some folks might not believe this but I don't look at OH 24/7.
With the way Elias is running things I don't see anyone hitting FA at 26.
Ok, regardless you can still see the quoted post while responding. The other poster literally did the exact thing I did but in the darker light.
How he's running things when were in a complete rebuild with no reason to rush the young guys because we're not competitive? Not sure you can assume he'll be that way forever.
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5 minutes ago, Daddy-O's said:
I understand, but under the current bargaining agreement, you can delay bringing players up until they are 23 or 24 and keep them under control until they are 30 . Economics dictate that the larger markets teams will have older guys under big contracts.
Phenoms/stud prospects are going to push the envelope. If we were in a competitive scene/trying to compete do you think we're going to keep guys down if they can help us just to delay the clock? Right now sure, but when this rebuild ends? I highly doubt that.
I'm not saying we're paying everybody, but I definitely don't agree that anyone that comes through our team is gone once FA time hits. They'll just pick and choose between guys that they value higher.
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Just now, ISU94 said:
...yet I get responded to almost immediately after posting? Eh...
Not paying anyone past age 30 means your not giving out extensions to worthwhile players. Most guys hit FA right around their 26-27+ year old seasons. They aren't going to be accepting a 2 year deal to stick around...
Either way, you don't know one way or another at this very moment sure, but based on the optics of all the moves they've done so far and reeling in a top exec with a bad public image makes me think Elias wanted to come here for a reason. I'm sure having a middle of the road payroll at the very least come the end of this rebuild was agreed to. Especially considering they're not even worrying about drafting arms and seem to be of the mindset to pay for them when the time comes.
Nothing wrong with either, but imagine what they'd be if they paid some of their young studs while also doing that.
For every TB/OAK there's a PIT that's in a similar situation that isn't great. Just first two small markets that don't have any payroll that came to mind. There's plenty of others who keep low payroll and are poorly run.
*Reeling in a top exec when your organization has a bad public imagine ownership wise*
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4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:
Didn't notice the post.
However upon looking at his post I don't see where he says the O's will be a farm system for bigger markets.
...yet I get responded to almost immediately after posting? Eh...
Not paying anyone past age 30 means your not giving out extensions to worthwhile players. Most guys hit FA right around their 26-27+ year old seasons. They aren't going to be accepting a 2 year deal to stick around...
Either way, you don't know one way or another at this very moment sure, but based on the optics of all the moves they've done so far and reeling in a top exec with a bad public image makes me think Elias wanted to come here for a reason. I'm sure having a middle of the road payroll at the very least come the end of this rebuild was agreed to. Especially considering they're not even worrying about drafting arms and seem to be of the mindset to pay for them when the time comes.
3 minutes ago, Daddy-O's said:Why would you not want to be Tampa Bay or Oakland? They are competitive now and both have very good farm systems, Tampa Bays is outstanding. Their future looks bright.
Nothing wrong with either, but imagine what they'd be if they paid some of their young studs while also doing that.
For every TB/OAK there's a PIT that's in a similar situation that isn't great. Just first two small markets that don't have any payroll that came to mind. There's plenty of others who keep low payroll and are poorly run.
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I mean...last season we were in a pandemic.