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1 minute ago, sportsfan8703 said:
Is he ranked on any lists? How much did he sign for?
Don't think he was ranked. No #'s as far as $$$ goes either.
Again though, rankings are great and all but these are 16 yr old kids. There's lots of small signing guys every year that end up being a serious hit every year. Just like some of the top/ranked guys disappear and never work out.
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1 minute ago, MurphDogg said:
Looks like a big kid.
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Update: (as of Aug 20):
The Orioles on Monday announced they have come to terms on a deal with international outfield prospect Isaac Bellony, a 16-year-old out of the Dominican Republic. Bellony, who was born in the Virgin Islands, signed for $220,000, per MLB.com's Jesse Sanchez.
"Bellony is a young switch-hitting center fielder with power, speed and a strong arm, who was recruited by several clubs," Orioles executive vice president of baseball operations Dan Duquette said in a statement released by the club. "We look forward to helping him develop into a Major Leaguer."
"I'd say two words, '[Jonathan Schoop],'" manager Buck Showalter said, referring to the O's last homegrown international big leaguer, who was dealt to Milwaukee at the non-waiver Trade Deadline. "It's exciting for us if that [is] the case, it's not like we haven't signed anybody. ... Just look around the rosters of baseball, it's pretty obvious. Just watch All-Star Games, just do the percentages, it's obvious that that's a part of the industry that you need to be involved with if you can."
The O's have also signed Dominican Republic shortstop Moises Ramirez for $225,000 and outfielder Damien Valdez, also from the Dominican Republic, for $200,000. Additionally, they signed J'Rudjeanon Isenia, a center fielder from Curacao, for $125,000. Smaller deals include pacts with right-handed pitchers Carlos Del Rosario and Kelvin LaRoche of the Dominican Republic. The Orioles have an estimated $7.5 million in bonus pool left to spend on international prospects, more than any other team. They could be preparing to make a run at Cuban outfielder prospect Victor Victor Mesa, when he becomes a free agent and eligible to sign.
Baltimore began the signing period on July 2 with $5,504,500 in bonus pool money, and it received an additional $2.5 million in the Kevin Gausman trade with Atlanta and another $250,000 from the Braves for reliever Brad Brach. The Brach deal last month represented the first time in the organization's history that it traded for international signing money.
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4 minutes ago, Dark Helmet said:
I'm hoping he can stick at 3B. OF is pretty full, especially if they get Mesa. He looks like he's going to be a premium bat, so they'll find room.
Oh they def will, his value just takes a hit if he's just at 1B so I'd prefer to see him elsewhere. Fingers crossed he keeps improving at 3B.
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8 minutes ago, Dark Helmet said:
I can see Mountcastle moving to 1B.
Eh. That's worst case. His 3B defense has improved so LF or 2B would likely be the ideal alternative if 3B doesn't work.
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Just now, Dark Helmet said:
Or he's still young enough to extend probably pretty cheap.
I would be for this unless we plan to move Mountcastle there down the road.
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2 minutes ago, Luke-OH said:
He was dirt cheap because he was a senior sign.
I'm looking forward to watching video.
Good catch, didn't see that but makes sense with his age.
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3 minutes ago, LTO's said:
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/ranking-the-prospects-traded-at-the-deadline-2/
Very interesting how different fangraph's rankings are than others. Diaz is no surprise at 3 but Cumberland at 7 was surprising to me.
Yeah, they loooooove Cumberland. I believe Sickels or someone else had him as a top 150 guy coming into the season too.
Just going to assume our FO has him in FG/Sickels realm more than MLB.com.
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2 minutes ago, Luke-OH said:
My full take doesn't exsist yet, I haven't studied the prospects in the deals enough yet.
General thoughts are thumbs up for the Schoop deal, I'm high on Ortiz, Carmona is the type of upside guy the team needs, and Villar is a cheap controllable piece of MLB filler who could have some upside.
Thumbs down for the Gausman deal, I like the upside of JCE, postional need as well (although that's not my focus in deals, it's a bonus), Cumberland has varying opinions (Fangraphs thinks he's the O's 4th best prospect, pipeline thinks he's the 30th) but I think the truth is somewhere in between, I don't know anything about Phillips or Zimmerman yet so hence the incomplete nature of my opinion. The 2.5M international money puts them in the driver's seat to sign VVM and will sign him if he likes money. Moving O'Day clears 12M ish in salary, which is a significant piece in the deal as well (not a fun part, but perhaps a necessary one).
Gotcha. Thanks for the quick write-up.
Looking forward to your thoughts on Zimmerman. Looks like a guy who fell through the cracks, ATL scooped up, and they were reaping the benefits as he's showing this year so far (signed him for dirt cheap after they drafted him last year, stuff is a tick up this year from what he was, etc.).
Phillips looks like a solid RP for us down the road.
At least that's my outlook on the two arms.
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39 minutes ago, Luke-OH said:
Not the same ceiling, but higher floor. Robinson hasn't faced full season pitching with strong college pitchers yet, so there's the risk he doesn't hit a lick. JCE has put up an above average batting line in full season ball despite the less than ideal approach. Robinson is a better prospect, IMO, but not by a huge margin.
What's your take on the full return on both deals? Didn't see it or hear your thoughts.
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If someone could post this...
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1 minute ago, atomic said:
Isu94 never saw another team prospect he didn't like.
Signed at age 18 out of the Dominican Republic for just $10,000 in May 2016, Encarnacion had a relatively non-descript pro debut in the Dominican Summer League that year. Encarnacion's United States debut in '17, however, which saw him play in both the Gulf Coast and Appalachian Leagues, put him much more firmly on the prospect radar, and he made a nice transition to full-season ball in '18.
Tall, lean and athletic, Encarnacion screams projection. At the plate, he's shown the ability to hit the ball hard to all fields from the right side. His impressive hand-eye coordination allows him to find the barrel consistently, though he'll have to improve his plate discipline to continue hitting for average. That will also allow him to tap into his raw power, which is sure to show up even more as he fills out his 6-foot-3 frame. Encarnacion played some shortstop initially after signing, but he's settled in at third base, where his arm and defensive actions have the chance to work long-term.
Encarnacion is still an unfinished product, but his upside is undeniable and he's already flashing pretty impressive tools. With some patience, he could develop into a very solid player at the hot corner.
http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2018?list=atl
Yeah, emphasis on projection all over his report. Let's kill a guy who is super young with loud tools because of his obp and k rate in A ball.
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1 minute ago, atomic said:
Isu94 never saw another team prospect he didn't like.
Never seen a trade or player we get Atomic doesn't trash.
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I get being upset about no top Braves arm but again, every report has been given the green light for us.
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1 minute ago, Finisher said:
.313 OBP this year in A ball on top 13 BB/100 Ks .. what's not to love.
Yeah, young hitter not walking. That never happens.
Doesn't deny the upside. There's a reason he's highly regarded.
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1 minute ago, Ruzious said:
I would include JCE in our top 25; but not top 20. Cumberland... about 30. Zimmerman might be a pleasant surprise - being a lefty starter who dominated high A. It'll be interesting to see how he does in Bowie.
I'll agree with those who say if the Atlanta trade nets us VVM, that could make a big difference in how we evaluate the Atl trade, and there's hope in Carmona that he could make a difference in the Schoop trade. But we pretty much have to depend on those 2 things happening to make today a good day for the future of the O's.
You will see them put way higher.
JCE was 14 in a loaded Braves system.
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1 minute ago, sportsfan8703 said:
To rank them in our system on the fly,
Victor Victor Mesa 1
Ortiz 8-10
Carmona/Encarnacion 11-15
Cumberland 20-25
Zimmerman 30
Cumberland was a top 150 guy prior to the season. That'd be surprising if he's that low.
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1 minute ago, wildbillhiccup said:
I'm not buying that. Glasnow was one of their best starting pitching prospects less then a year ago (ahead of Taillon). And Meadows hasn't gotten enough MLB ABs for his "shine to come off".
Glasnow has zero command and getting lit up out of the pen even. Believe what you want. His value has taken a large hit.
Jonathan Villar- Our new 2B?
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I love Schoop but Villar brings long term/better chance to stick at 2B and is superior in that regard. He has a year longer in control while being cheaper. Takes pitches and has speed on the base path, etc.
Schoop def has the better arm and more power, but tbh Villar may be a better option for this team long term and he happened to be the 3rd, yes 3rd, piece in the deal behind two strong prospects for the rebuild. Idk why some here act like it was a weak return. Going to guess because there wasn't a top 100 prospect in it but man does it look like a damn good deal.
Villar may not fit here long term and he won't continue to perform like he has thus far. But he has proven, when healthy, to be a very solid 2b. To get that and two good young prospects got a guy expiring in a year and a couple months...pretty darn solid.