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Elias and Sig obviously love their prospects. With that said, they actually have experience in trading for Verlander (thought to be in decline at the time) and going on to win the World Series. Even with it being six years later, if they determine that he's worth acquiring, with how protective they are of their prospects, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. Verlander is not AS dominant as he was, but he'd still be leaps and bounds ahead of anyone else we'd run out in Game 1 of any playoff series IMO.

Maybe I'm crazy but I think the bigger issue would be prospect cost versus money. Mets will eat a fair amount of the money if the prospect haul is worth it. Ideally they'd meet in the middle and not move anyone higher than Norby, and take on the needed salary to get that deal done? I don't think Norby would be the only piece of course but I'd hope that he'd be the top piece, but that may be just as unrealistic as these Mets fans predicting Holliday + Kjerstad + Mayo coming back for all I know.

I mischaracterized it a little bit; made my post based on memory. Here's the actual quote: The entire industry is waiting to see how Orioles general manager Mike Elias will reinforce his upstart club, which has both the best record in the AL and one of the best farm systems in the sport.

True, but he's not the only one linking more teams than Houston/LA to Verlander. Rosenthal just posted his update for The Athletic this morning: - O's on the periphery of talks with the Mets regarding Verlander (listed after Houston/LAD) - Thought to be linked to Lorenzen, but their exact pitching targets are unclear - MLB watching the Orioles with considerable interest - Tigers likely holding out until the last minute for best and final offers on their pitchers

I still can’t believe they’re in on Verlander. It would make more sense to me that this is being leaked to give them additional leverage with Detroit, although they’ve supposedly avoided leaks in the past. I’m guessing they have the best offer on the table for whoever they prefer between ERod or Lorenzen, but it’s not as good a return as Montgomery got so Detroit is waiting until the clock runs down. Maybe a little risky given how badly they need a starter but we’ll see. Just a hunch.

Outside of Giolito, Montgomery and ERod, I’m not sure I would’ve placed any realistic options ahead of Lorenzen. I don’t view Snell, Keller or the mariners/marlins arms as realistic fwiw, probably not worth the prospect cost.

Btw Kyle Gibson absolutely dealing right now. Hope this is an acceptable unrelated post

Which is why they're probably hesitating. They know they need at least one SP, so why overcommit resources when whoever you end up with on Tuesday is not that much different than who was overpaid for on Monday.

Will be really surprising if there's this much smoke and they don't at least end up with someone as good as Lorenzen or better.

Thanks!

Having trouble linking to these tweets. Morosi seems to be firmly linking us to Verlander IMO.

https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/1686104939397791744?s=20

Slowly but surely convincing myself that Michael Lorenzen and Steven Matz are going to be helpful additions to this team down the stretch, with Lorenzen taking Wells spot and Matz ready to step in when the next opening is needed. The Kyle Gibsons/Adam Fraziers of the trade deadline if you will.

But until they make “that move”, whether it’s a trade or FA acquisition, I don’t know that we can continue to give them the benefit of the doubt. I understood the trades last year, and could even see the logic of not spending high on last years FA pitchers. But with their current league leading record and a glaring hole in the rotation, there’s really no excuse to not bring in a difference maker with their abundance of resources.

Seeing the return for Montgomery makes me unfortunately agree. Hope we’re wrong.

Now it’s legit. I was hoping for Montgomery. Eduardo Rodriguez my last real hopeful piece. With his contract not sure the Os will go for it.

Where are you seeing this? Not saying it won’t happen but just some minimally credible twitter chatter about it is all I can find as of now.

Hicks to the Blue Jays