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It's not the money, it's the years. I wouldn't mind signing him for a year or two, even at what I'd consider to be stupid money. But what I DON'T agree with is signing him for any more than 2-3 years as I don't think he's going to age well. And I expect him to get more than 3 years from someone, so I'm a hard pass. Can we afford him? Money wise, sure. But I don't want to see us stuck with him 4-5 years down the road when his skillset has greatly diminished, but he's still playing every day because we owe him a lot of money and a lot of loyalty. Let some other club take that risk, get the QO pick and move on.

While I think it perhaps SHOULD be, I voted no. Unless we completely collapse (miss the playoffs type) he's safe. There are enough excuses/reasons with injuries, etc, that'll he'll get a pass, deservedly or not.

Leave Kimbrel in Hyde! Let him pitch until his arm falls off tonight!

Yeah, I know. But that doesn't explain Henderson slump with bat and glove, Adley disappearing, Santander hitting homeruns or nothing, Cowser swinging at EVERYTHING and striking out like Rob Deere, etc. Yes, we have injuries. But we have issues BEYOND just the injuries. If those who are NOT injured were still hitting like they can, we'd be in a much better position. Injuries are certainly A reason, but too many are also using them as an excuse when we STILL have some good players who simply are not playing up to their potential, compounding the problem.

Just so pathetic. I can't believe how hard we have fallen from being a top team in MLB to looking so bad. Yeah, injuries are a PART of it, but certainly doesn't explain all the problems we are having.

While I'm not upset to lose him, I'd have rather kept him over a few others currently on the roster. Not a huge loss granted, but I'd rather have him in the organization instead of keeping Kimbrel around, as well as another one or two.

Glad we win, but man this team is hard to watch at times. So many terrible at bats, so many DPs and our 'closer' is a heart attack waiting to happen.

This is ridiculous.

He's been bad, but that K was on the terrible ump.

Yes, we've had some injuries on the offense side too. But that in no way completely excuses how bad the offense has been.

I like Cowser, but man so many of his at bats are just worthless.

I agree. I think a bunch of it is simply like the 'club house' presence junk. When a reporter asks about a guy who is barely hitting his weight and not really contributing much, if anything, to the team, inevitably some reporter asks about the veteran presence, and of course whoever is on the other end of the microphone is going to rave about all the intangibles and off the field benefits that the player bring to the team, thus the birth of 'veteranosity'. In reality the player may suck, they may not do a darn thing to help the culture or the clubhouse, but what else is the interviewee going to say? I know for a FACT that in some other sports it happens like that, I am sure baseball isn't any different. I think much of the same thing comes into play with coaches. When a guy comes here and starts hitting better, of course he's going to give credit to the staff. But take Hicks for example. Anyone could have looked at this 2018 stats and videos and tried to replicate that. Any coach would be stupid to NOT see what worked best for him in the past and see if he can recreate it. That's not to say that sometimes an organization can't see a hitch in someone's swing, or the changing some mechanics might unlock some more power or potential. It DOES happen. But it also happens to players who leave the Os and end up having more success in other places than they had here. And for every Hicks/O'Hearn type, there are a dozen others who we tried to 'fix' and failed miserably. There is no magic fairy dust and some players are simply flawed, and won't be 'fixed' no matter what we try. Mateo is one of the best examples of this I've ever seen. He can spend a month looking like an MVP candidate then become the worst player in MLB for the next 6 weeks. Surely if we had a way to permanently fix him, we'd have done it a long time ago. Heck, it's way past time to give Adley a bit more of this special sauce, as what he got originally is wearing off! I'm not trying to downplay coaching or to talk about any of their efforts, or about our players. But baseball is a game of failure, and some are simply better at failing less frequently than others. Most guys, like Jimenez, Mountcastle, Jones back in the day, Mateo, etc are very unlikely to be 'fixed'. Their flaws can sometimes to hidden for a small time, but eventually who they are wins out.

If he keeps playing like this, we may not want him on the team in a couple of years. He's so greatly disappeared in the 2nd half it's really troubling. His defense, game calling and holding runners has all regressed imo, and now his bat is gone. Unless he can turn it around, why would we want him in a couple of years if this is how he's going to play?

That was terrible Slater...

And give up our ace in Rogers?!?!? No way!