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46 minutes ago, Philip said:
I was wondering why Brandon Hyde allowed him to face five batters instead of the minimum three?
@Frobby already covered this in two different posts. But this was a perfect time to pitch Vieira. After his first walk, Mateo came in from short to chat with him and settle him down. No doubt the convo was along the lines of…hey we have this. Just put it in there and let em hit it. Etc. Hyde didn’t get Perez up until the bases were loaded. Of course the next guy promptly drills a triple and rather than rush Perez, he got one more batter which was a 4th walk. Hyde was agitated by the second walk. I haven’t seen what his post game comments were yet.
Edit to add: Just watched the post game interview…seemed there was much to chat about that was more important than Vieira’s 5 batters. Hyde even discussed the Mustard Ketchup Relish race yesterday being live. Personally I would have asked this question: Did you say anything to Vieira when you got to him, or did you just tell him the weather forecast for Norfolk?
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The game has changed. The Orioles are never going to have 4 20 game winners again, but British anyone else.
You cannot expect managers to manage against things they know now with analytics. And if it bothers you, you only have Earl Weaver to blame.
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Was at the game yesterday and Vieira did throw hard. And a couple were close. But I did notice Hyde getting agitated. On the last walk Hyde was out of the dugout before the ball was in Adleys mitt.
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I share many of the same thoughts as the rest of you. But if we take the pieces of this thread I do think I see clearly.
We really would like for Melanie to be successful. She has improved some in her delivery on pbp, but is still nearly unbearable. She is still at her best on the sideline, on tv, where we already know what happened.
But her improvement is limited because her biggest drawback is the tool she deploys…her voice. And that is a tough limiting quality. However, if we try really hard, we can imagine her smelling like warm cookies.
I like warm cookies.
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1 hour ago, Moose Milligan said:
We're not going to have room for all of these guys. We're just not. These wet dream posts of lineups 1-9 with all homegrown talent are exactly that.
Second, you're acting like just because he's a top 100 prospect doesn't mean there's a chance that he won't make it. I'll tip my cap to Elias and his crew, they've done a masterful job of developing talent, I can understand why people are so excited about all of our prospects but if we're going to have to trade one, I'm going to go with the one that has a lot of swing and miss in his game and isn't pegged as a great defender at either corner outfield spot. He's also already 25 years old, barely has played at all in the majors....and some of that's not his fault, but it still is what it is.
With this franchise's ability to scout, draft and develop, I am not at all worried about trading Heston Kjerstad for bullpen help in a day and age where elite bullpens are game changers. We're going to need a stout bullpen if/when we make it to the playoffs. It's the one spot of this team I think that we should all be able to agree that needs an upgrade.
You're also neglecting to understand the fact that those relievers are under team control for awhile and have options which means there's more value to the Cleveland relievers that you're so quick to dismiss. In your little scenario where you're talking about switching places and trading our middling relievers for someone like Kjerstad, you're acting like we'd be trying to trade Baumann and Suarez which is just intentionally obtuse on your part, you should be ashamed. And with how Elias and his team have developed pitching and used analytics and pitch mixing, I'm not too worried about the performance of either one coming back.
If we were the 28th ranked minor league system and Kjerstad was our only guy we had to dream on, sure, I'd agree with you. But it's not like Dylan Beavers isn't killing it in AA, he's 2 years younger and can play a corner outfield spot in Camden Yards.
Blargh, blargh, blargh #2 overall pick blarg, blargh, blargh
This is of course a pretty well reasoned post...but it comes undone a bit at the end. Valuing players and trading value for value is what every good GM strives to do. And saying we have Beavers so we can trade Kjerstad is of course correct, but you absolutely don't want to devalue what you get in return for talent because you have more.
On the margins, sure. But if you value your work, and it is clear that Elias does, and you believe these guys still have value, you don't just give em away because you have plenty. I know that is not what you are really saying. But the counter is also true. I don't think keeping people to have 1-9 homegrown is a thing. And I would rather trade Kjerstad for a bat that might push us over the edge than trade him for two middling relievers. He is more valuable than that today even taking into account the wide range of outcomes he could have.
I believe we will make trades before the deadline. I don't think Elias cares where the starting 9 comes from but I think he will look for true upgrades.
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5 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:
True or False: A team who has a Mason Miller/Felix Bautista big time strikeout guy always has an advantage no matter the situation in late and close situations.
This is true. But it is especially true in situations where there are no outs and a runner on second.
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You have to get 2 outs. You have an 11 run lead. You face the top of a lineup that had one hit on the day.
I might give up 7 straight home runs in this situation, but I ain’t walking 2 guys to start the inning. Two outs.
He is frustrating.
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On 5/1/2024 at 4:29 PM, Can_of_corn said:
Grayson's already missed time due to injury. Remember 2022?
Who knows how much time he'll miss between now and free agency.
It's a bad data point to have on his resume. It doesn't help him in any way and could potentially hurt him.
Why should he agree to that for no gain?
Would you let your employer do whatever the equivalent would be to you?
The arbitration stuff is just silly speculation about how a team could use his generosity against him and once again the IL trip would be a data point and not the whole argument.
You have basically answered your own question. If Grayson didn’t agree he could file a grievance. He didn’t so one might assume, regardless of how serious, he agrees with the course of action.
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Nice game. Expected nothing less. Last two nights we have even had some creative bull penning.
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6 hours ago, glenn__davis said:
The time isn't coming, the time is here. As sportsfan mentioned, this is a good team whether fans want to admit it or not. But 30 of mostly terrible baseball does a number to a fan base.
I will say that in 1970 I didn’t think the Yankees were going to destroy Oriole pitching. And if I did, I wouldn’t have said it out loud.
Sure I was only seven. But yeah it is starting to stand out that many still think of this team as if it is a pretender.
I expect a win. Every night. Every series. Why would you not?
Do I think the East is assured? No. But it goes through Baltimore.
Do I think the WS is assured? Of course not. But I do think one or more is coming.
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I appreciate the reverse jinx thing and Roy does it well. But one of the things that annoys many of us about the Yankees is that they expect to win. There was a time when that’s how it was for us. Personally, I’d rather have that back.
The Yankees pitch pretty well and if they stay healthy they will be tough. But tonight we got some breaks and we did lots well. Grayson wasn’t masterful but he did the job. Perez, Cano and Coulombe were sharp enough. The O’s played good defense and Gunnar became the Youngest player in MLB history to hit 10 HRs before May 1st.
But most of all I sat in 3rd base Box seats with a lot of folks who expected the Yankees to win and I enjoyed the heck out of it. My favorite play was Santander and Gunnar forcing out Stanton at second on a single to right.
Reverse away Roy. But the time is coming when we should expect this. And tonight felt good. Ain’t the beer cold!!!
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Glad he is ours.
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4 minutes ago, eddie83 said:
I’ll say this.
Not that it is earth shattering or new but Elias exudes confidence about this club. He expects them to be good. Very good spokesman for the organization.
I have noticed this as well. Sure hope he delivers.
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There are an awful lot of assumptions here that are premature.
Athletes want to perform and Kimbrel has every reason and right to do the same. My guess is that he wants to perform well enough that the O’s pick up the option for next year.
He knows his body better than anyone and we don’t know the situation other than he has seemed off. We also know his usage rate is unsustainable.
It’s a tough time for the O’s but hopefully there is a way to manage. Good to see Means have a very nice outing in his rehab. My guess is we are about to see how creative Elias and Hyde can be with mixing and maxing pieces.
…Crosses fingers.
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31 minutes ago, OnlyOneOriole said:
I mean they are very similar. Both very good players. But Cruz back then to me...always had that 'it' factor. He was just a clutch player.
When the O's could have resigned him I said he is a MUST sign. Especially for what turned out to be a bargain basement price for what he did the next 5 years. One of the single worst moves the O's have made since 2000 in not trying to resign him.
I did not look it up, but as I remember the Orioles actually did try to resign Cruz. He wanted and got a longer contract that turned out to be a good deal. At the time it seemed prudent that the Orioles balked at that.
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6 hours ago, Bemorewins said:
Yes that is an extreme exaggeration. I’m glad that you admitted to it. lol
On a more serious/factual note, what I said is that I am hopeful that we can cobble together an effective rotation and pen until the deadline. And then use pieces from our abundance of position player talent/prospects to add meaningfully where necessary.
But when you use words like “logjam” that implies too much or more than what is required. We don’t have that in terms of pitching talent on the team or in the organization at this time. That is not an exaggeration but a fact.
I didn't use the word logjam, it was in the OP. That said, while the jam may well be at the back of the rotation, the fact that giving Bradish and Means a whirl to see where they are forces some moves. IF either one of them is not what we need, then anything that is DFA'd can't come back and that would be an issue.
Yes we still want more and better pitching, but without the ability to simply option guys and find out, it creates a log jam to determine what is best moving forward and it creates risks if either Bradish or Means are not serviceable somewhere.
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32 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:
I don’t see any kind of “logjam”. That would imply some sort of challenge with having too much talent in one place/spot.
What we have is a hodgepodge of mediocre to below average pitchers who are very interchangeable in terms of their talents (or lack there of). Of the pitchers that you mentioned, probably Bradish (who we don’t know about right now coming off the elbow injury) and maybe Suarez (very small sample size) are any good.
The rest …. They can be swapped out for one another and I don’t think any real difference is made. I hope Means can be the John Means of 2021. But the reality is that was a long time ago at this point. I don’t think that it is very probably that he will make it through the season and pitch effectively into October and be healthy the whole time. That’s probably pie in the sky/wishful thinking at this point.
I don’t see anything that said the Orioles had too much pitching talent. Or why you would read it as such. Simply another way for you to drop your belief that until the Orioles have the three best SP in baseball, they are not serious WS contenders.
And while that is admittedly an overstatement of your point, I think it’s you who has a pie in the sky view.
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The answer to the question is obviously no. Now if the question was would Gunnar have been worthy #1 pick the answer seems obvious that he would have been.
But taking him where he went allowed the Orioles to maximize their draft which is what every team hopes to do.
You can argue whether Adley was the right pick but if Gunnar went first there is no way the two picks work as well for Baltimore.
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I don’t think I could make a list of 26 people I’d rather have than Gunnar.
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Ordinarily a logjam is a good problem to have. Unfortunately for the O’s this one has some good and bad with it. On one hand it is remarkable that Bradish could be back so soon and the potential arrival of Means also has to be welcomed news. That the O’s are 16-8 without these two is also a really good thing.
But the O’s do not have a hoard of optionable players and both Bradish and Means are potentially arriving but are not locks to either be effective or to have staying power. In theory both could be back out as quickly as they arrive just as easily as they could return to prior form.
Either could also prove to not be as effective as hoped.
But you have to find out so they are coming and the O’s will in my opinion try to minimize DFA’ing potential pieces as long as possible here.
I still do not have high expectations for Bradish or Means, but color me very pleased that we get a chance to find out as we close out April. How this goes is going to be important and hitting on one or both of these moves would be extraordinary.
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11 hours ago, Malike said:
I'm not sure what's more fascinating. Roch's fascination of McKenna, or our fascination of Roch's fascination of McKenna.
For me it’s the fascination with people who are fascinated at the people fascinated with Roch’s fascination with McKenna. And it’s not particularly close.
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The question isn’t whether you offer it. It’s whether you are willing for him to accept it.
It’s going to be pretty easy if Santander stays healthy to math out why he is worth more than $20M. But the pick associated with signing him could well affect the market.
If you would love him back, make the offer. However, if you have any qualms about paying him for one year, you don’t offer the QO.
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I would give him a deal based on what Seattle did. Large incentives for GG, MVP, All Star etc. and I’d try to avoid opt outs. (Although Julio Rodriguez’ did have them).
That deal was 12 years 209M and could extend to almost 500M with 2 MVPs.
And I’d tell Gunnar that these were the types of deals that would allow extensions to his teammates.
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44 minutes ago, Fuegofuego said:
Still stings remembering that Brian Roberts draft. They had 7 picks in the top 50 and...yikes. Talk about a night and day difference. Thanks, Elias!
I looked at that draft today. Unfortunately, it wasn’t a very good draft. I don’t think there were many nuggets that the O’s missed on. They were just unfortunate to have a draft with so many in the top turning out to miss. But yes the difference is amazing. Hopefully they continue to grab top talent.
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I think the ole DB made a self incriminating joke. If so well done. If not…well never mind.