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5 minutes ago, Birdland in NC said:
That would be a big stretch to get Camden set for a major concert after a noon or 1pm game. I'm just talking about the stage and sound crew, that's not much time. Billy Joel may need to re-schedule.
The concert isn't at Camden - it's at M&T Bank.
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19 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:
Saw Billy Joel in BMore a few years ago..he was excellent but I also don’t feel the need to see him again.
He was awesome at Camden Yards and still puts on a hell of a show. I'm not rushing out to see him again, but I'm really glad I went last time.
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6 minutes ago, Otter said:
Because of positional value, I think Ortiz has more upside/future value. But I think it's closer than you think. Don't forget that Stowers has very impressive EV and power potential. His prospect status and trade value has taken a huge hit since he didn't get a chance this year, but he's still an interesting prospect.
I really don't think it's particularly close. He's an interesting prospect, but Ortiz is pretty much a universal top 100 guy with elite defense at a premium position who has also put up better offensive numbers than Stowers. If things break right for Stowers he might have some 3 WAR seasons in a his future, but he's got a whole lot of swing and miss to overcome.
Stowers would basically be a throw in for a trade at this point. Ortiz could help bring back something of real value.
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15 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:
Well Ortiz is also 25.
Stowers should be in the majors.
And it’s not like he wasn’t putting up very good numbers before.
Stowers should probably be in the majors, but not on our roster. Ortiz should definitely be in the majors. They aren't particularly close in terms of upside as prospects.
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54 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:
Absolutely zero people even mention Stowers anymore.
Completely forgotten player.
When you hit 25 in AAA that tends to happen. I really don't see the Os finding a spot for him.
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5 hours ago, drjohnnyfever1 said:
I'd say Lamar Jackson. Might take a while to wrap up the ceremony, tho, having to search for the ball and all after the wild pitch...
I know this is incredibly off-topic, but that's an absurd comment to make about the player with the 2nd highest completion percentage in the NFL. Hating on Lamar is like hating on Adley or Gunnar. Makes 0 sense.
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21 hours ago, emmett16 said:
It’s not just numbers he putting up. He’s putting out consistent highlights on D and offense in a playoff race. He’s urging on a show.
100% agree. It's not hyperbole to say that he's the best player on the best team in the American League. That should get him a few MVP votes (obviously not 1st place) on top of a near unanimous ROTY.
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1 hour ago, vab said:
This guy has to be frustrated. He's been very solid at double A and triple A for almost two full seasons now and he's pretty much the last one of the Gunnar-Adley wave who hasn't even gotten a sniff in Baltimore. He'll probably get traded at some point and I think someone's going to get a good one.
I can't imagine he's more frustrated than Ortiz - who is the better player and was drafted 2 years before him.
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17 hours ago, Uli2001 said:
If you think the Rays bullpen is not astronomically better and deeper than the Orioles bullpen, don't let reality get in the way of your nonchalance.
The Rays have the best bullpen in baseball right now. The Orioles lost the best closer in baseball after the trade deadline had passed. I have no idea what you're expecting.
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Looks like you're able to just view the tickets without waiting now.
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1 minute ago, eddie83 said:
Just happened Sunday.
Don't let reality get in the way of his rage.
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Just now, dystopia said:
Should that hit have been an error on Urias? I missed it.
Definitely a play he should have made. He couldn't get it out of his glove clean.
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Love an efficient (10 pitch, 2K) inning to kick things off after getting the early lead. Going 7+ would be massive for our pen.
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2 minutes ago, dystopia said:
What is with all the questions about players’ attitudes all of the sudden?
No idea, but it's all insane. Acting like Cowser keeping things light in the clubhouse is a negative is wild to me. His teammates love him.
Does that mean the team should stop with all of the water themed celebrations? Adley does goofy things all time - should he be reprimanded for not being a competitor?
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2 hours ago, Going Underground said:
But that is still a decent profit for that seat. My friend has game 2 section 60 for $90.00
I'd think these prices will go down a good bit once there is more availability. Only premium plans have had the opportunity to purchase at this point.
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13 hours ago, baltfan said:
Funny that you should see it that way since Tony saw that the argument was what I am saying and created a whole thread based upon evaluating the argument.
There are pages and pages of posts. I've responded to multiple of yours which included such gems as "Show me another team with rookies that underperform as much as the Orioles when they first come up?" and citing the Reds as a team where every prospect succeeds out of the gate because of a successful player that's almost 26 (and isn't a rookie) while their best prospect struggles.
The larger point about our players being taught to be very selective and needing to scale it back in the Majors is fine - the rest of your argument is not.
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On 9/4/2023 at 10:43 PM, baltfan said:
Dude why so angry? Gunnar clearly was too selective and it was hurting him in the beginning of the year for the first two months. Don’t believe me, read what Tony says.
“After Gunnar's quick start, over his next 209 PAs he struggled badly slashing just .180/.325/.326/.651 with 36 walks and 67 Ks, striking out nearly once every 3 PAs. In Gunnar's case, he definitely was getting himself in way too many two strike counts and pitchers were not making too many two strike pitch mistakes.
Getting more aggressive, he slashed .273/.327/.518/.845 over his next 350 PAs with 24 BBs and 83 Ks. It's pretty obvious Gunnar's walked rate has gone way down, but he's offset that with much more power (.326 vs .518 SLG). While Gunnar's OBP is about the same, he's getting more hits vs walks and he's become much more productive.”
The argument is not whether Gunnar was too selective at the plate at the start of this year. The argument he made was that the Orioles have more underachieving prospects than any other team. We don't.
Is the point here that rookies / young players sometimes have things to work on? Why is that news?
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5 hours ago, baltfan said:
As I said a ton of times, I prefer the more selective approach and think it makes for better hitters. They just might struggle a bit more out of the box because of it. It was a general observation based on what was obvious for Gunnar and Cowser, and Adley, though to a lesser degree.
You have 0 evidence that more selective hitters struggle more starting out. You argued that Baltimore's young players underachieve starting out and cited the Reds as an example of a team who's young players exceed expectations. You have yet to provide any evidence that this is actually true. (Hint: that evidence doesn't exist).
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1 hour ago, Ridgway22 said:
Figgered as much. Thought it would be posted and discussed here. But what do I know.
It was when it was announced yesterday.
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15 hours ago, baltfan said:
Steer and McLain. Both were barely in the top 100 of MLBPipeline. Both have been better than expected. Cowser was also a top 100 prospect and you neglect to discuss Cowser who clearly struggled in part due to his approach and figuring out how to make it work at the ML level. Again thoug, I am saying this explains why they initially struggle. I am not saying that they will always struggle or that they shouldn’t be developed this way. I agree with the way that the Orioles teach and am saying it means that we need to be more patient because it can work better in the minors versus the majors, so there will need to be adjustments.
Steer didn't just come up. He struggled when he came up last year and then is better this year. Cowser could do the same thing next year. Steer is also 25 right now and will be 26 before Cowser turns 24.
McClain has been awesome, but you're also working with a really small sample size. Elly was rated way higher than McClain, but has performed much worse so far in the majors. That sort of thing happens.
You're taking small sample sizes and trying to make some kind of grand proclamation that doesn't hold any weight. Sure, some of our prospects have struggled out of the gate, but that is bound to happen when you have 6 or 7 come up in a 2 year span. Westburg was on fire out of the gate - do you think he was coached differently than Cowser / Adley? Gunnar was really solid when he came up last year, but then struggled to drive the ball at the start of this year. Was there a difference in how they coached him in the offseason? You're way too focused on small sample sizes.
There is no evidence that Orioles prospects struggle more out of the gate than players from other teams.
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35 minutes ago, baltfan said:
This is so silly. You are pointing to literally the last two #1 prospects in all of baseball. Moreover, I never said the Orioles teaching or approach in the minors is the wrong one, it’s the correct one. But Adley struggled when he first came up and so did Gunnar. For both their approach needed to adjusted, especially for Gunnar. Still the command of the zone they are teaching is fantastic and better in the long run. All I was saying and still say is that waiting for bad pitches to do damage works better in the minors versus the majors. And it isn’t just Cowser that struggled. Stowers struggled. Ortiz didn’t do much. But that’s all ok. I am saying there is a logical explanation and the team should be patient. I only wish they had had Mountcastle from the beginning in the minors.
Finally, I am not whining about anything it’s just an observation. I never said the approach would make it so these guys won’t succeed. It will say, however, that not everyone has the tools of Gunnar or Adley and will be able to adjust. There are likely to be some guys that thrive in the minors for the Orioles that are profiting off of pitchers getting behind that won’t be able to do that at the major league level. Of course, some guys in the minors with awful control of the strike zone will also do much better in the minors than the majors.
What are you even talking about? Some guys from the minors will fail? You do realize how often Top 100 ranked prospects fail, right?
Stowers struggled, but he's never been a highly touted prospect. Ortiz struggled, but he basically got 0 opportunities.
You still haven't elaborated on all these prospects from the Reds that are performing better than the Orioles prospects. Why is Elly -- former top 5 prospect -- performing worse than Westburg?
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21 minutes ago, baltimoriole said:
why would we want that when we could have 4 out of 5 bad outings from Flaherty? JK. I wonder what level of prospects Detroit was asking for?
It had nothing to do with Detroit. He had a no-trade clause and utilized it. They had a deal in place with LA.
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2 hours ago, baltfan said:
Show me another team with rookies that underperform as much as the Orioles when they first come up?
This is such an absurd post. Adley came up and was immediately a 5+ WAR player last year. Gunnar is a 5+ WAR player this year at 22. Westburg has been fine as a rookie. Grayson struggled at the start of the year, but has righted the ship after working on things and looks really strong in the second half.
Who are you talking about on the Reds? Matt McClain has been awesome, but beyond that it isn't anything crazy. Elly is ridiculously exciting, but he's been worth 1 WAR -- the same as Westburg in nearly twice as many games.
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2 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:
White Sox, Pitt, Min and Cle..pitched well vs them and Boston and Houston hit him well.
Don't add context - that doesn't fit his narrative. Maybe we should have gone all in for Cease -- we could have had his 8+ ERA in August if we were willing to offer up some real prospects at the deadline.
Jackson Holliday 2023
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You're way overshooting at 85%.