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Villar has been a better player than Schoop this year. Switch hitter with speed and solid defensively at 2B. I really like the move. It will help eliminate some of the station to station baseball.
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29 minutes ago, brooksfrankjim said:
A floor of Adam Jones is getting damn near a HoF level player. That’s a floor near the penthouse level.
Im thrilled we got Diaz. And as I find out more about the other players, we may have gotten some sold contributors going forward.
My main point was, don't expect to fill the farm with Jones and Brach. Britton may bring a nice piece, but it won't be what Chapman brought.
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30 minutes ago, Diehard_O's_Fan said:
I am really glad the Orioles got Diaz. However, I find it odd how the Manny deal was centered around a hittter instead of a pitcher. Does anyone else find that odd as well? Do the Orioles have more of a hitting problem right now instead of a pitching problem?
Or they actually see that Mancini and Stewart aren't OF. It also means maybe they aren't sold on Austin Hays now. They have some solid pitching prospects.
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1 hour ago, LTO's said:
Didn't expect to get a top 100 guy back for a rental in this market so I'm content. There are other pieces to trade people....much more work to be done
Manny was the cornerstone player to change the foundation of this team. They had 3 large market teams bidding in him. Teams that will just buy other international prospects. Diaz seems to have a floor of Adam Jones, so he's a good get. But the other pieces like Jones and Brach aren't getting you much more than if it works out a RP or utility type guy. Britton may get you 1 good prospect if a team panics. Hopefully the Braves panic and send us one if their good INF prospects for Britton.
Other than that, unless their trading Gausman or Bundy, Diaz is probably the only guy that has a really good shot to be a above average player.
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31 minutes ago, utvolzac said:
So we get 1 organizational top 10 prospect and it wasn't even their best guy. I just threw up in my mouth.
Especially when 2 of their top 4 prospects are SP...which we desperately needed.
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I will add, Diaz is a nice get and from what I have read, will be a top 50 prospect by seasons end. I read some rankings have him at 47 in their midseason rankings.
I was hoping to get a solid SP prospect like May or a solid INF prospect like Lux. I guess the other offers didn't have a Diaz type player.
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25 minutes ago, Tx Oriole said:
How much do think the O's can get for a rental?
Considering reports this morning had is getting Diaz and May, I'm disappointed. Has nothing to do with what I thought we would get. I would take just Diaz and May over Diaz plus the 4 others.
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So no May or Alvarez? Well...thats disappointing.
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37 minutes ago, Satyr3206 said:
That's what is good about message boards. Different opinions. He'll be a bullpen arm. Wait a year or two.
I still hope he can be more. At worst, our next Mychel Givens...hopefully.
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28 minutes ago, Satyr3206 said:
To be fair, I never applied.
You couldn't do any worst to be honest.
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So many experts that aren't employed by a MLB team.
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I hope it's not a torn rotator cuff. Went from being able to throw a baseball relatively hard and far (for a non-pro) to never throwing pain free unless it's soft toss and if I try to throw it hard, it hurts like hell and still isn't very hard.
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2 hours ago, wildbillhiccup said:
Exactly! Blaming Davis for his lack of work ethic / willingness to make adjustments is one thing, but blaming him for his contract is another. It's solely on Angelos, Buck, and Brady's hands. They're supposed to be the experts responsible for gauging the marketing, evaluating talent, etc. They are also #notgood.
Never blamed Davis. In an earlier post, I named the exact trio at fault for the Davis contract. He can laugh all the way to the bank for all I care.
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2 hours ago, SteveA said:
So how many baseball seasons are you willing to cancel to get the players union to agree to that enormous concession?
Seems like it would be easier just NOT TO OFFER 7 YEAR CONTRACTS TO 30+ YEAR OLD PLAYERS. That solves the whole problem without cancelling the World Series two years in a row.
Personally, if the Orioles are going into the gutter for another decade, I could care less if baseball seasons are canceled.
And I actually stated earlier, that I blamed the Orioles and not Davis.
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1 hour ago, Roll Tide said:
This is why MLB needs to have opt out clauses when these superstar players fall below a certain production level.
Im not sure how to make it work but a mediocre season should be the minimum.
For Davis that would like something like
.240 30 homers and 80 RBI
or perhaps 80% of the production that the player did over his contract year and maybe averaged with the previous season.
for pitchers it could be tied to things that are in control of the pitcher such as era, strikeouts and walks etc ... avoiding wins and saves where the pitcher inherited another’s mess.
Teams should have an opt out clause. Make only signing bonuses guaranteed. Like the NFL does.
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1 hour ago, ORIOLE33 said:
And those guys are what you would call in the NBA “role players.” Davis on the other hand, is getting paid like a superstar and is batting in the 150’s. The players you mentioned can be released today. Davis? We’re unfortunately is stuck with.
And who's to blame for that? Not Davis. He had all the signs of a bad signing. Yet Angelos, Buck, and Brady didn't care.
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23 minutes ago, thezeroes said:
To me it has less to do with the Money which is/was a sunk cost when he was signed but the roster spot because of his lack of ownership for how bad he is playing.
Belle played two years of a five year deal and cost the Orioles the options of signing/trading for the fortieth spot on the roster all three of his winters here just to save the money of the contract through insurance. He also sued the Orioles for Meal Money for the three years he was DL'd and sitting home. So no, the Orioles did not get Their money ALL back from the contract but a prorated percentage that was insurance covered and lost out on the potential of three added players to the roster.
Yeah, cause God forbid we don't have the room on the 40 for the Danny Valencia, Craig Genry, and Jace Peterson's of the world. Oh and those 2 or 3 Rule V guys.
This team has more than enough waste of space on the 40 before carrying Davis becomes a roster crisis.
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1 hour ago, ORIOLE33 said:
If I’m Manny or even AJ, I might have some words with Davis.
Yeah, because they've done so well so far being leaders this year.
Manny isn't a leader. He's putting it all together in his walk year, and it's still too much to ask of him to run hard on every play.
I can't wait for them both to be gone. I actually don't have any ill-will at Chris Davis. He's what he' always been. A guy who strikes out alot. He just doesn't hit HR anymore. It was going to happen. The Orioles were the ones that gave him that bad contract. Who turns down $160m?
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4 hours ago, DJHJR86 said:
Except for the games that they lost with runners in scoring position. 1 for 8. That 1 hit was in a game they lost 10 to 1. The scandal was not set up to throw every game, but specific games. I think Jackson was in on it. Plus he admits to it on page 4 here:
http://www.blackbetsy.com/jjtestimony1920.pdf
There has been alot of evidence to suggest the court papers released were inaccurate. And much information was withheld from the public that questioned Jackson's involvement. His own teammates years later said Jackson never attended one meeting.
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3 hours ago, OFFNY said:
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As a Black Sox expert, the first thing that needs to be said about that entire situation is that there are many things about the entire affair that nobody will ever know for sure (including myself.)
That said, both Joe Jackson and Buck Weaver very likely played to win. In fact, Jackson set what was then a World Series record with 12 hits, batted .375 for the series, hit the only home run of the series for either team, and did not make an error on defense. Similarly, Weaver batted .324, did not make an error on defense, and by all accounts played his best to win (not easy to do, knowing that 6 of your teammates are intentionally throwing games.)
Weaver never took a dime, repeatedly asked for a separate trial from his teammates to prove his innocence (of which he was denied), and appealed to the MLB commissioners (Kenesaw Landis, Happy Chandler, and Ford Frick) every year until his death in 1956 to have himself reinstated (all of his appeal were denied.)
Jackson was given $5,000 in an envelope by his best friend and teammate (Lefty Williams) ........ money that he never asked for, and that he did not want. In fact, he even tried to give the money to the team owner (Charlie Comiskey) and report the entire scandal to him but he was intercepted by Harry Grabiner (Comiskey's secretary), who told Jackson that Comiskey had nothing to say to him (even though he had offered a $10,000 reward for anyone giving him any information on the fix.) At that point, Jackson decided that he simply wasn't going to play in the series because of the fix that he knew that his teammates were complicit in. His manager (Kid Gleason) screamed at Jackson that he would play ....... Gleason's statement was not a prediction or a request, it was a threat. The uneducated, illiterate Jackson buckled under the pressure of his manager and owner, and played all 8 games of the series to the best of his ability, but (like teammate Buck Weaver) was not comfortable in doing so.
As stated before, there are still many aspects of the entire affair that people do not know, and will never find out. However, based on the numerous books, articles, and films that I have read and seen, and the people that I have spoken with (I actually called a man named Gardner Stern on the telephone just before he died in 1996 who lived in Chicago his entire life, and who was 15 years-old at the time of the fix, and I spoke extensively with him about it) Jackson and Weaver both played to win, in spite of the pressure of the situation that was on them.
In regard to Gardner Stern, this man ......
A. Saw the first game ever at THE ORIGINAL Comiskey Park in 1910, when he was 5 and-a-half years old.
B. Had his heart broken when it was found out that his beloved White Sox had thrown the 1919 World Series (he in fact went to one of those World Series games against the Reds.)
As I said earlier, his name was Gardner Stern. He was born in 1904, was a life-long White Sox fan, and was a guest in Ken Burns' baseball documentary.
I simply called information for Chicago, Illinois (in 1996), asked for his phone number, and he was nice enough to talk to me for about 20 minutes about the entire Black Sox scandal, plus his lifelong fandom of the White Sox.
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Very good information. That's where I'm at. I believe Jackson knew about it, but wanted no part of it and played to win. His numbers prove that.
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51 minutes ago, weams said:
I had the pleasure to hang out with him while he was having a few beers with personal friends of his. Seemed pretty much like you would think a jock like him would be. Pretty normal.
He was good to his personal friends. Normal people when the spotlight wasn't on him...not so much.
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29 minutes ago, tntoriole said:
Small towns can sometimes be that way...I live in one myself. Not saying Cal is an angel and surely has hypocritical parts to his nature as we all do. But to engage in that behavior? Given his father? Given his knowledge of the history of the game? And the risks to his own image that would have been involved? Nah!
I'm not saying your wrong. I just have my doubts that's all. It really doesn't tarnish his accomplishments for me. He was never linked to it.
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Shoeless Joe Jackson had a better series than some WS mvp have had. If only everyone could throw a series like that. Shoeless Joe should be in the HOF.
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7 hours ago, Il BuonO said:
Yeah, I’d heard he wasn’t always that personable, but I don’t know how you make the leap to what you’re claiming.
Not claiming anything. I said it's my opinion. Everyone thinks Cal is this greater than thou person that would never do anything against the rules. I simply said from personal experience and knowledge from others, that he's not necessarily the good guy that he's always made out to be. As for the PED, that's strictly my opinion. His workout buddy was Brady Anderson. That raises a flag to some degree. I don't really care either way. Someone mentioned Cal and PED, and I just gave my opinion on it. I'm not trying to convince anyone he did or didn't.
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Or he's still young enough to extend probably pretty cheap.