ChosenOne21
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21 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:
I took it as a joke. But if we’re going to DFA Baumann if we made this move, we might as well offer him to then.
Sure, but I don't think that sweetens the deal for them even 1%.
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Just now, RZNJ said:
It’s some Splenda to sweeten the deal.
Yeah, the fact someone is willing to throw in Baumann on a deal that's already an overpay tells you that even he doesn't think Baumann has any real value.
Two for the price of one!
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I would have liked to see Irvin continue to pitch, but there might be a lot we don't know. Normally, pulling a starter who is pitching effectively after 72 pitches is a bad move, but it's possible Hyde knew something about how Irvin was feeling, or something, that makes the move make sense.
I don't think Hyde is so stupid that he'd pull a pitcher who was cruising after 72 pitches unless there was something going on.
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38 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:
I would trade Povich for him all day. Probably makes sense to throw Baumann in too.
Baumann has basically zero trade value.
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I might trade one of our semi-interesting low minors arms for Scott, but probably not. He was nails last year and has been good this year, but I have faith we can unearth someone roughly as good for basically free, Depends on which arm the Marlins want, I guess.
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Povich's floor might be Zimmermann. He's always been a more highly thought of prospect and the stuff is just better.
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2 hours ago, sportsfan8703 said:
I’m not trying to do some hot take. I’m just saying that I don’t see how Povich cracks this rotation over the next two seasons, and I dont think his relief profile is better than the LH relievers we have. So therefore I think his best value to us would be a trade to a 2nd division/rebuilding club.
But all of this is just my opinion. And if people want to disagree that’s welcome. It’s a discussion board. If anyone thinks my opinion is a hot take, or it rubs then wrong personally, or goes against the group think, well that’s more on them.
We’re all allowed to have opinions. Nothing personal. I love the winning and the new posters, but a simple differing opinion shouldn’t result in neg reps or devolving into Facebook level posts.
I appreciate the discussion. Heck, sell me on Povich. Where does he fit in on our roster through 2025?
Burnes and Means are probably gone next year, so that leaves us with Bradish, Rodriguez, Irvin, Kremer, Wells, and...definitely not Povich? Wells is pretty far from a lock to last in the rotation for an entire season. I don't think it's hard to see Povich in the rotation full-time.
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16 hours ago, Sports Guy said:
I just can’t fathom a realistic scenario where I’m trading Mayo or Basallo in any deal.
I think I could be convinced to move Mayo as the headliner for a top of the rotation pitcher with multiple years of club control. You're only getting Basallo if you can pry him from my cold dead hands.
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20 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:
You put Markakis in the title but not Terry Crowley? Do you not understand how revered Terry Crowley is around here?
Terry Crowley's lucky he's in baseball. He got cut by the **** **** Cincinnati Reds, He got cut by the **** **** Atlanta Braves...
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Webb has been great since coming over, and he wasn't awful before. It's hard to believe the Angels waived him, but their loss is our gain.
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14 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:
It’s hard to see a path where Povich would ever be anything for us than depth/up down guy. Basically Zimmerman 2.0. There’s only 5 rotation spots and we’re win now mode. Also, as a reliever he might not be as good as what we have in Vespi.
No knock on Povich. We have a top 3 26 and 40 man roster in the sport. An optionable depth piece with our Wall would be ok, but we’d probably get more value to use him as a trade chip either at the deadline, or offseason, to get a reliever or in a package for a better SP.
Maybe we see Zimmerman and Povich packaged together for a reliever like Kopech. Just spitballing a name we’re familiar with.
We've had about a million starting pitcher injuries. Burns and Means are gone after the season. There's plenty of opportunity.
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Just now, Bemorewins said:
Even worse by McKenna… useless.
How is hitting a 108 MPH liner worse than striking out?
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Dang! McKenna scorches one but can't find the outfield grass
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15 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:
I don’t get the DFA Baumann crowd at all.
He's a replacement level reliever, what don't you get? He's not so terrible we can't get him out the door fast enough, but he shouldn't be hard to replace.
Maybe there's more in the tank, but we're pretty much at the age and point where he is what he is.
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I guessed Ramirez, but wouldn't be super sad to see either him or Baumann go.
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2 hours ago, Bemorewins said:
With all the position player talent within the org, there is going to be no place for him at 1B. You have Moutncastle, Kjerstad, Mayo all in front of Basallo once he arrives. And because we have and will have so many guys now, DH will likely not be possible with those 4 all occupying the same roster. Unless you want to bench Westburg because you think Mayo is a better 3B? Or move Westburg to 2B and do what with Holliday?
Then we'll have the best catching Tandem in baseball and a replacement for Adley when he walks in a couple years.
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17 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:
I agree with all of this. However, if we sign Adley to an extension then that makes Basallo a tad less valuable. Not that he isn't an uber prospect. Also, like you said we're going to be good for a decade. Ok, well we'd have miller for next 6 postseasons. He would pair with Cano for 5 of those, and Bautista for 4. With our offense that is a good recipe to win a WS.
I think we're all blown away by Mason Miller and 103. It makes us miss Bautista. We're just going to have to see who all is available at the deadline.
We still need a backup C and if that backup C mashes like a first baseman and plays first base or DHs on his "off" days, that would be incredible.
I would absolutely like to acquire Miller, but the best player I'm trading for him is probably Kjerstad. If they want someone else in the deal, depending on who that is I'm not necessarily opposed to it.
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15 minutes ago, Orioles0615 said:
Are we sure this isn't some phantom IL move to manage his innings and because they are stuck up on someone like Rameriz and Bauman? Why wouldn't you wait until his next start to see how his shoulder is doing
It's probably either this or incredibly minor, but man, we can't catch a break with our rotation health this year.
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1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:
So Basallo's elbow fracture issue isn't a concern going forward but Miller's arm is?
I don't think you get to have both.
You do remember Loewen right? His stress elbow issues can returning.
It's a concern, but not on the level of Miller's arm. I don't claim to be an expert on elbow fractures, but I doubt that would stop him from being a first baseman. Loewen was a pitcher--I don't think that's comparable unless you only use him to point out that elbow fractures can be recurring.
I'm not saying there's zero chance the elbow completely derails Basallo, but I'd put the odds of that well under 10%.1 hour ago, Philip said:I don’t think it is easier. That’s why Hader got so much from Houston. He’s fallen off a Cliff, but that just shows his rarity and desirability.
Also, catching is not an offense-first position. A league average hitting catcher who does catching stuff well is more than enough to make a team smile. But a terrible catcher who does all the catching stuff at a high level will also make a team smile. That’s why Castro got 24 million from Minnesota even though he was a below average hitter. So if we give up Basallo, we give up an excellent hitter, but we can find an adequate replacement.
Believes me, I agree it’s a difficult question, but I think it’s worth asking.
I have to admit, I was somewhat wrong about this. I count 7 catchers last year with at least 300 PA and an OPS of .800+. There were 17 first basemen who fit the same criteria.
I'm having a harder time defining elite closer, but 7 is a pretty reasonable number. Maybe Bednar, Williams, Hader, Bautista, Phillips, Iglesias, Duran?
That said, I'm still not trading Basallo for Miller. We're going to be good for a decade--we don't need to commit to that level this year. I also have far more faith that Elias can find us a good reliever on the scrap heap than a catcher.
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2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:
Maybe?
Let's be honest, he was hyped to the moon this offseason and that might be his peak.
We don't know he can stick at catcher. We don't know if his elbow issue will resurface.
I agree that he's a fabulous prospect with a huge ceiling but he's not some stainless steel lock.
Basallo's reasonable floor is pretty good first baseman. Miller's reasonable floor is he blows out his arm and/or has other injuries and isn't the same after he comes back.
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1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:
I've never been a Kjerstad believer.
I think he's best suited to DH and I'm not sure the bat is special enough.
I believe he'll be a good productive major-leaguer while under team control. I also believe he'll be a DH by his early 30s, though he won't be valueless in that role. The bat is pretty strong.
If I'm Oakland and think I need OF help/offense more than I need an elite reliever, I'd consider the deal. I don't know enough about the A's current situation to know for sure if I'd make the deal from their seat. I might try to get more from the O's, but I'm not sure who else we could give up that Oakland would want that wouldn't blow up the deal for me. -
4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:
I disagree but you are showing your work and I respect that.
I think Miller would be worth a lot more to this O's team over the next few years than Kjerstad would be.
Miller absolutely would be worth more to the O's. That doesn't diminish Kjerstad's value to Oakland.
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3 minutes ago, Philip said:
This isn’t like the Erod trade, unless you’re factoring in the typical “position player>pitcher” argument. That point is valid, but I think you’re underestimating what Miller would give the team, which we need desperately right now. If he and Kimbrel shared 9th inning duties, they could factor into 120+ games.
And Miller is a first year guy too, we’d have him til 2029.
I doubt Oakland would be interested in Heston, who apparently isn’t even good enough to get into a game now.
I don't know if Oakland would do Miller for Kjerstad or not. I sort of doubt it, but that doesn't mean it isn't fair on paper.
I'd rather have 6-7 years of a LH hitting catcher who hits like a very good first baseman than 6 years of very good to excellent closer. It's easier to find the latter than the former by a lot.
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1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:
I don't think that'd be fair at all.
That's a significant underpay.
I don't think you are rating Miller correctly.
I'm going off BaseballTradeValues. They have Kjerstad and Miller at something like 27.8 and 25.6 and Basallo at 53.6
Only way Miller is worth way more than that is if you think he can start.-
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Ryan O’Hearn 2024
in Orioles Talk
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O'Hearn actually has a career .748 OPS versus LHSP in 157 PA. It's the near helplessness against LHRP in 41 PA that makes it look like he can't hit lefties. He's around .080 OPS lower against lefties in his minor-league career, which is roughly the average platoon advantage split.
I don't think it's some foregone conclusion he can't hit lefties. Maybe he doesn't need to the way our roster is constructed, but I think the idea he can't hit lefties deserves some scrutiny.