emmett16
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12 minutes ago, Philip said:
I don’t see any logical reason he didn’t start the season, and as has been noted, his absence arguably cost at least one win, because with him, weaker players would have been on the bench..
But it could have been worse!
So who’s getting the axe? Surely not Kemp?
Of course it will be Kemp.
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People reading way too much into this. He looked ready in ST. They wanted him to get a few more reps at 2B and swings against LHP while avoiding LHP in first week. Doesn’t have to be anymore than that. Why is that sooooo crazy?
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1 minute ago, dystopia said:
Thanks. Looks like they just wanted to avoid him facing a bunch of left-handers, then use the excuse that he needs more ABs against left handed pitching. Can't make this stuff up.
Makes sense. My take is that they prob still think he isn’t quite ready but don’t want to get Adley’d so they kept him down until they absolutely had to bring him up.
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Just now, dystopia said:
Yeah I think the date was April 13th for that.
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5 minutes ago, G54377 said:So we gained zero extra years and likely no effect on the ROY race, and could have easily gained an extra win if he is playing form the start and not Kemp/Urias?
And he got 2 weeks to work on his D and hit lefties. Pretty much a massive nothing burger folks decided to spend hours complaining about on the internet.
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2 minutes ago, Chavez Ravine said:
But the service time?
That’s just a refrain from a certain segment of salty OH posters.
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Had a feeling that would happen for 4/10’s game. Good news.
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17 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:
I don't have a concern at all. He's only struck out at a 15.7% rate and has 21.6% walk rate. I think what Holliday does is let it rip earlier in counts and then he's buttons that up with two strikes. He takes really good PAs.
Agree. His hacks on 0-0 and 1-0 counts are pretty violent. He does not get cheated. His ability to draw a walk after getting down in the count is pretty darn impressive.
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20 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:
For those of you who have been through it, is it throw as hard as you can and lots of breaking pitches for the kids? Are coaches trying to get them to throw a changeup instead of the breaking ball, figuring that is less stress on the arm?
I'm not a believer in Curveballs before 13U. It's not so much the valgus stress on elbow (it's shown to be lower), but it does make them switch up their mechanics which isn't a great thing to do IMO at such a young age. For me, at the end of the day you want the kid to throw accurately and be able to repeat mechanics. Throwing as hard as you can (intent) is actually a good thing to teach, but it has to be done in moderation, supervised, and tracked. When you are in game and adrenaline is pumping, you're gonna let it eat. If you don't practice that way, you are setting yourself up for disaster.
What I've seen happen at the very young ages, is that there are only a handful of kids at 9U, 10U, and even 11U than can consistently throw strikes. So what happens, is those 3,4,5 kids get saddled with all the innings. When you are talking about teams playing 40-60 games a year those 3-5 kids get stuck with all those innings and the workload is insane.
My recommendation would be to find a coach that insists every single kid pitches (in those early years). It might be ugly, but the kids will be better for it developmentally wise and health wise in the long run. You have to punt 8u-12u and focus on development to have a chance at success at a later age. If the priorities are winning trophies before you get to the big field, then you're leading the kids down the wrong path.
I highly recommend getting a pulse monitor and having your kid learn arm care training at an early age. If they do it right away it becomes the new norm and will be SOP as they get older.
They also need a solid 3-4 months off throwing. For us that's Nov, Dec, Jan 1/2 feb. During that off-time doing shoulder strengthening exercises to maintain is advised. They also need a solid 6 week slow ramp up period before they go to games and go all out. As I noted earlier in the thread, the vast majority of injuries will happen in the first part of the season due to the off time and not following a proper ramp up period. Start them on this track at a young age and make it just the normal process and set good habits for the long run.
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4 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:
The parents are truly the worst. These “living vicariously through their children” parents are such a huge problem.
I coach with a friend of mine and his wife is the commissioner of our league and the absurdity that she faces on a daily basis for U8 baseball is stupid.
It only gets worse. Pick your coaches (and fellow families) wisely. 1 or 2 bad apples can ruin a season/team/experience.
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4 minutes ago, btdart20 said:
I hear you. Our cultural priorities are all over the map. Especially in competitivd environments. Parents/coaches alike grin and smile talking about coddling, etc. when it comes to pitch counts and throwing programs.
My experience has been parents only responding to arm injuries after the fact and not being preventative. And coaches aren't much better because many are just parents themselves (like myself). I have have had a few parents ask for stricter pitch counts than league rules after their son had arm issues pitching elsewhere. And we've lost to coaches who throw kids to the wolves for one looong inning or blow by game/week limits. I have even approached coaches after the game and they knew... There's a growing push for an independent pitch count person as well.
Can pre-puberty little league shift to being more form/mechanics? How does the local dad/coach know what to teach?
Can puberty-aged leagues shift to focusing on developing arm care habits? How does that work when that age iswhen clubs start getting noticed?
Can post-puberty/HS be about all of the above and still decrease/limit injuries even with the amount of unknowns and a more competitive environment? Many of these guys are less qualified than club coaches.
Issue with all of it, is no one has any idea how much they are actually throwing unless it's tracked. And if you do track it, it you have to manage that data and follow programming correctly. And if you are tracking it and managing it correctly, you still have to make sure you are practicing proper arm care exercises to strengthen the muscles around the joints. And you still have to throw with proper mechanics. And if you do all that.....there is still a risk. So, the real question is, is it worth the risk to you?
But at the very least, I think young kids need to start tracking every throw they make. Who cares if the kid throws 80-90 pitches in a game if he warmed up correctly with only 20-30 throws after a proper warm up and has not thrown any more that day? I'm more concerned about the kid who plays IF or OF, who took 40-50 throws to warm up pregame. Made 4-5 throws between each inning at full force, made a few max efforts throws in game, went to the bullpen to throw 20 warm up pitches, and then comes into the game and throws 30-40 pitches.
Having been tracking throws consistently for over a year now, I can tell you the kids typically are throwing 50-100x more than what they thought they had in any given day.
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2 hours ago, Moose Milligan said:
There's nothing you can do. And while it sucks for the pitchers to have to have TJ, there's a very small, cynical part of me that thinks they don't mind having to rehab (I'm aware that it's a lot of work) post surgery and get paid to do so.
The onus is on the players to show that a few seconds on the pitch clock would drastically cut down the number of TJ issues. Seems silly to think that 5 extra seconds would really do much of a difference.
This is what the game has evolved to. Do any of the pitchers want to stop their quest for adding 3-4 mph on their fastball? Do any of the pitchers want to stop trying to spin the ball at insane rates?
Unless you're like Honeywell who missed being called up by a week or so before he blew out. Talk about a massive turn in events. 18 month recovery at MLB minimum vs. minimum wage.
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3 hours ago, Rbiggs2525 said:
Passan has actually changed his viewpoint on this which is a good thing to see in this day and age of media. As previously stated the reward is still higher than the risk of pitching with the new mechanics. If you are a high school sophomore looking to make Varsity, 87-88 is much better than 84. When you are a college junior a few MPH could be the difference in 100’s of thousands of dollars. Strider was close to signing a 200 million dollar contract. The person I listened to yesterday was using Verlander as example. He said there was a reason he went to ODU, not to bash the school. He was pitching with good mechanics and building healthy velocity. The interviewer asked specifically about Grayson and he is one of 95% of pitchers with bad mechanics. He also noted that Skenes looks like Mark Prior 2.0, which will be interesting to track.
One extra thing he noted was looking into pre-tacking balls to take off pressure in forearm. I personally think they could do something with the seams instead but interesting.
He went to ODU because he wasn't a huge draft prospect in HS and wasn't recruited heavily. ODU has a very good program. Historically one of the best baseball programs in VA. They were perennial NCAA tournament participants throughout 90's and early 2000's. Verlander grew significantly in college and started to add velocity. He wasn't a power pitcher throwing gas in HS. I posted the interview I believe you are referring to in a previous post.
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3 hours ago, Sports Guy said:
In the book "The Arm" they alluded to this...The vast majority of injuries happen early in the season. This year we aren't 100 days in yet (unless that includes Spring Training), but it points to pitchers not prepping their bodies off the field the way that they are going to be used on the field. And not putting in the proper work in the off-season. You can't go 80-90% in practice and then go 110% in games and not expect to get hurt. Especially early in a season when you don' have the proper workload built up. Not saying that is the only reason. Obviously, these guys are pushing their bodies to the limits and that has become the norm.
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10 hours ago, RZNJ said:
Albert Suarez and maybe Wandisson Charles. Charles has to prove he can throw strikes, otherwise he’s just another Baumann. But Suarez is a strike thrower with 96-97 and multiple pitches. He went 6 shutout in relief tonight but he might never even be needed as a starter, especially with Means close to coming back. Means probably pushes Irvin to the pen. If and when Bradish comes back, Wells would be another welcome addition to the pen.
Suarez is the reason Norfolk has 1 loss.
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23 hours ago, Malike said:
I was in a 7.3 in Alaska in 2002 I think? I was working at a resort in Denali and they had a bunch of cabins that all almost fell off the mountain they were on. Pretty freaky.
Apparently, it was a 7.9, my memory is shot.
Maybe you need to start adhering to a pretty strict, uh, drug regimen to, uh, you know, like, keep your mind limber.
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13 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:
Brutal. These teams need to trade these guys earlier.
I have a sneaking suspicion they knew he was damaged and wouldn’t be able to complete a deal this off-season.
Did you mean like 3 years ago? If so, yea - agree. Especially a pitching factory like CLE.
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1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:
Most of us learned that one when Davis was on the team.
That was a very dark time. I think I’ve mostly blocked out all those memories.
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2 hours ago, sportsfan8703 said:
He looks like he’s lost two steps on the basepaths.
He looked like he had a trailer attached yesterday. I didn’t think that play at home would be close at all.
Also, learned something new. OPS+ can go into the negative. Urias is at -48. Yikes. Hope he gets hot soon (likely won’t be in Pitt brrr).
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1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:
But how many of them, if they don't do this sort of thing, will have long pitching careers? If you don't throw hard, if you don't spin the ball, can you get enough outs to be a viable ML pitcher?
Hitters just do too much damage to be allowed to square up the ball. You pretty much have to strike guys out in today's game.
Not even in today’s game, but to get a crack at a pro career, sneak in at the bottom level and slowly work your way up. People will always sacrifice for glory, and when you go down, there is a line around the corner waiting for your spot.
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3 hours ago, harp6 said:
I think overwork or underwork is a problem, but it is only part of the main issue. Yes, it you work to often or to long, fatigue can set in and that increases the chance for injury. But, the biggest issue is no longer workload. The biggest issue is what pitchers are now trying to do with their pitches. Pitchers are trying to increase their pitch velocity to the upper nineties. They are trying to increase their spin rate, etc. As you mentioned, this is putting more stress on their arms. They have access to all these modern pitching metrics and they believe that in order to become a great pitcher you have to work on improving and increasing all these things. There is some truth to this. But these are also the things that are putting to much stress on pitching arms and it is ultimately what is causing these major injuries. Pitchers can work on improving velocity, spin rate, etc., but there needs to be balance to figure out how much is to much. The price they pay is sacrificing a long pitching career for a half dozen or less good years. The number of big injuries to pitchers has increased greatly in the last dozen or so years. We have the metrics, but there needs to be more science on how much these arms can take and how can a pitcher become a smarter pitcher and stay within what their arms can handle.
It’s a risk vs. reward proposition. They aren’t risking a long career, they are risking physical injury for the chance to be one of 780 MLB athletes. People will always sacrifice for a shot to play in MLB. And there is an endless amount of talent right behind each injury.
What you failed to mention is shoulder injuries have decreased to almost non-existent. I do think if MLB came together with a unified plan they could reduce the amount of TJ. It will never go away completely, but they could reduce significantly if they all got on the samE page.
A major factor leading to injuries is that players go all out in games with an adrenaline spike, but don’t practice that way. If you’re only going 80-90% in your bullpens and side work and then ramp it up for games, you’re setting your self up for disaster. Thats another ramification of under work.
There is a lot of information out there but most of it is proprietary to various teams and there is no central database in MLB. It becomes a competitive advantage, one team trying to get slightly ahead of others (same reason medical are held as state secrets). But at the end of the day, there are a million factors, all bodies are different, and short of tracking every workout, every throw, every situation of every player throughout MiLB & MLB where injuries arise there will be a continued trend of escalated TJ surgery.
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Cedric look embarrassed to have to participate in the contrived and horrible bike handle HR dugout celly. I hope this ends soon.
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6 hours ago, justD said:
If you get a chance be sure to check out the snow squall earlier
Just rewatched. Unreal. I’ve only seen snow (flurries) during a baseball game when I went to see Os play Twins at target field in early April….I don’t recommend. Was not as intense as that. Wow. Thanks for the heads up.
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9 minutes ago, justD said:
That was quite bizarre and you really wonder how this is helping them.
Still two games to go in the series. We really did their pitching staff in during the first game of the series.
Holliday called up!
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Because it’s the last possible day for him to be eligible to accrue full service time next year.
If they were trying to game his time they simply call up someone else….or no one at all.