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You have to get 2 outs. You have an 11 run lead. You face the top of a lineup that had one hit on the day.
I might give up 7 straight home runs in this situation, but I ain’t walking 2 guys to start the inning. Two outs.
He is frustrating.
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On 5/1/2024 at 4:29 PM, Can_of_corn said:
Grayson's already missed time due to injury. Remember 2022?
Who knows how much time he'll miss between now and free agency.
It's a bad data point to have on his resume. It doesn't help him in any way and could potentially hurt him.
Why should he agree to that for no gain?
Would you let your employer do whatever the equivalent would be to you?
The arbitration stuff is just silly speculation about how a team could use his generosity against him and once again the IL trip would be a data point and not the whole argument.
You have basically answered your own question. If Grayson didn’t agree he could file a grievance. He didn’t so one might assume, regardless of how serious, he agrees with the course of action.
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Nice game. Expected nothing less. Last two nights we have even had some creative bull penning.
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6 hours ago, glenn__davis said:
The time isn't coming, the time is here. As sportsfan mentioned, this is a good team whether fans want to admit it or not. But 30 of mostly terrible baseball does a number to a fan base.
I will say that in 1970 I didn’t think the Yankees were going to destroy Oriole pitching. And if I did, I wouldn’t have said it out loud.
Sure I was only seven. But yeah it is starting to stand out that many still think of this team as if it is a pretender.
I expect a win. Every night. Every series. Why would you not?
Do I think the East is assured? No. But it goes through Baltimore.
Do I think the WS is assured? Of course not. But I do think one or more is coming.
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I appreciate the reverse jinx thing and Roy does it well. But one of the things that annoys many of us about the Yankees is that they expect to win. There was a time when that’s how it was for us. Personally, I’d rather have that back.
The Yankees pitch pretty well and if they stay healthy they will be tough. But tonight we got some breaks and we did lots well. Grayson wasn’t masterful but he did the job. Perez, Cano and Coulombe were sharp enough. The O’s played good defense and Gunnar became the Youngest player in MLB history to hit 10 HRs before May 1st.
But most of all I sat in 3rd base Box seats with a lot of folks who expected the Yankees to win and I enjoyed the heck out of it. My favorite play was Santander and Gunnar forcing out Stanton at second on a single to right.
Reverse away Roy. But the time is coming when we should expect this. And tonight felt good. Ain’t the beer cold!!!
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Glad he is ours.
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4 minutes ago, eddie83 said:
I’ll say this.
Not that it is earth shattering or new but Elias exudes confidence about this club. He expects them to be good. Very good spokesman for the organization.
I have noticed this as well. Sure hope he delivers.
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There are an awful lot of assumptions here that are premature.
Athletes want to perform and Kimbrel has every reason and right to do the same. My guess is that he wants to perform well enough that the O’s pick up the option for next year.
He knows his body better than anyone and we don’t know the situation other than he has seemed off. We also know his usage rate is unsustainable.
It’s a tough time for the O’s but hopefully there is a way to manage. Good to see Means have a very nice outing in his rehab. My guess is we are about to see how creative Elias and Hyde can be with mixing and maxing pieces.
…Crosses fingers.
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31 minutes ago, OnlyOneOriole said:
I mean they are very similar. Both very good players. But Cruz back then to me...always had that 'it' factor. He was just a clutch player.
When the O's could have resigned him I said he is a MUST sign. Especially for what turned out to be a bargain basement price for what he did the next 5 years. One of the single worst moves the O's have made since 2000 in not trying to resign him.
I did not look it up, but as I remember the Orioles actually did try to resign Cruz. He wanted and got a longer contract that turned out to be a good deal. At the time it seemed prudent that the Orioles balked at that.
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6 hours ago, Bemorewins said:
Yes that is an extreme exaggeration. I’m glad that you admitted to it. lol
On a more serious/factual note, what I said is that I am hopeful that we can cobble together an effective rotation and pen until the deadline. And then use pieces from our abundance of position player talent/prospects to add meaningfully where necessary.
But when you use words like “logjam” that implies too much or more than what is required. We don’t have that in terms of pitching talent on the team or in the organization at this time. That is not an exaggeration but a fact.
I didn't use the word logjam, it was in the OP. That said, while the jam may well be at the back of the rotation, the fact that giving Bradish and Means a whirl to see where they are forces some moves. IF either one of them is not what we need, then anything that is DFA'd can't come back and that would be an issue.
Yes we still want more and better pitching, but without the ability to simply option guys and find out, it creates a log jam to determine what is best moving forward and it creates risks if either Bradish or Means are not serviceable somewhere.
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32 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:
I don’t see any kind of “logjam”. That would imply some sort of challenge with having too much talent in one place/spot.
What we have is a hodgepodge of mediocre to below average pitchers who are very interchangeable in terms of their talents (or lack there of). Of the pitchers that you mentioned, probably Bradish (who we don’t know about right now coming off the elbow injury) and maybe Suarez (very small sample size) are any good.
The rest …. They can be swapped out for one another and I don’t think any real difference is made. I hope Means can be the John Means of 2021. But the reality is that was a long time ago at this point. I don’t think that it is very probably that he will make it through the season and pitch effectively into October and be healthy the whole time. That’s probably pie in the sky/wishful thinking at this point.
I don’t see anything that said the Orioles had too much pitching talent. Or why you would read it as such. Simply another way for you to drop your belief that until the Orioles have the three best SP in baseball, they are not serious WS contenders.
And while that is admittedly an overstatement of your point, I think it’s you who has a pie in the sky view.
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The answer to the question is obviously no. Now if the question was would Gunnar have been worthy #1 pick the answer seems obvious that he would have been.
But taking him where he went allowed the Orioles to maximize their draft which is what every team hopes to do.
You can argue whether Adley was the right pick but if Gunnar went first there is no way the two picks work as well for Baltimore.
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I don’t think I could make a list of 26 people I’d rather have than Gunnar.
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Ordinarily a logjam is a good problem to have. Unfortunately for the O’s this one has some good and bad with it. On one hand it is remarkable that Bradish could be back so soon and the potential arrival of Means also has to be welcomed news. That the O’s are 16-8 without these two is also a really good thing.
But the O’s do not have a hoard of optionable players and both Bradish and Means are potentially arriving but are not locks to either be effective or to have staying power. In theory both could be back out as quickly as they arrive just as easily as they could return to prior form.
Either could also prove to not be as effective as hoped.
But you have to find out so they are coming and the O’s will in my opinion try to minimize DFA’ing potential pieces as long as possible here.
I still do not have high expectations for Bradish or Means, but color me very pleased that we get a chance to find out as we close out April. How this goes is going to be important and hitting on one or both of these moves would be extraordinary.
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11 hours ago, Malike said:
I'm not sure what's more fascinating. Roch's fascination of McKenna, or our fascination of Roch's fascination of McKenna.
For me it’s the fascination with people who are fascinated at the people fascinated with Roch’s fascination with McKenna. And it’s not particularly close.
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The question isn’t whether you offer it. It’s whether you are willing for him to accept it.
It’s going to be pretty easy if Santander stays healthy to math out why he is worth more than $20M. But the pick associated with signing him could well affect the market.
If you would love him back, make the offer. However, if you have any qualms about paying him for one year, you don’t offer the QO.
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I would give him a deal based on what Seattle did. Large incentives for GG, MVP, All Star etc. and I’d try to avoid opt outs. (Although Julio Rodriguez’ did have them).
That deal was 12 years 209M and could extend to almost 500M with 2 MVPs.
And I’d tell Gunnar that these were the types of deals that would allow extensions to his teammates.
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44 minutes ago, Fuegofuego said:
Still stings remembering that Brian Roberts draft. They had 7 picks in the top 50 and...yikes. Talk about a night and day difference. Thanks, Elias!
I looked at that draft today. Unfortunately, it wasn’t a very good draft. I don’t think there were many nuggets that the O’s missed on. They were just unfortunate to have a draft with so many in the top turning out to miss. But yes the difference is amazing. Hopefully they continue to grab top talent.
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On 4/20/2024 at 3:22 PM, Bemorewins said:
Gee maybe for starters a useful pitcher like Flaherty’s teammate (Montgomery) who was available to acquire by trade instead. That’s just one example amongst several.
At least Bradish and Grayson (who was a rookie) pitched. Flaherty was so (predictably) bad that we coulldn’t even use him in the playoffs (which was the only reason he was acquired).
You mean the Montgomery who had a 9.0 ERA AGAINST US in the playoffs and still won? Yeah. Bud you keep beating this horse, but as it turned out the Orioles didn't pitch, hit or play def the same way in the playoffs. IF they had done that, perhaps it would have proven that the pitching was the reason the 23 playoffs ended for the O's. I mean I agree that I wish we had gotten Montgomery. But if Grayson pitched against Texas the way he pitched against Tampa or Wash in his last two starts...at the very least the O's do not get swept. And maybe they get on a roll. We don't know.
We do know that the best hitter for the Orioles in the playoffs last year was Jorge Mateo who outhit the entire team in one game (except Gunnar) going 4-5 in Game 3. That kinda tells you something.
And not specifically to your point, but even though Bradish exited game one in 4.2 innings, he outlasted Heaney for the Rangers. Game one comes down to the Jacob Webb HR, otherwise the bull pen does good work. Win Game 1 and well everything looks different. It didn't. But not because of the point you consistently make that the Orioles failed to get a starter like Montgomery.
They failed to perform pretty widely. As is won't to do in a three game series.
Simply repeating it over and over, doesn't make it so.
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20 hours ago, Mooreisbetter27 said:
I’d sign for that in blood. We shall see.
6.2 and 0 runs is not 7 and 1. I don't know whether you owe blood...or your head...but I assume missing by a whisker saves you. Try to do better next time though ok?
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23 hours ago, Roll Tide said:
I’ve said before …the low OBP guys will be weeded out as the better players come up. Hays was never going to be long term.
I think this is part of what is going on. Hays in my opinion is pushing a bit because he wants to stay and keep playing. In the off season he announced he would love to sign an extension.
He ia a player I have always liked and admired. He was a bright light on some dark teams without much talent. He played all out when there wasn't much to play for except pride.
However, the tide is rising and it would appear guys like Hays will be replaced. Whether he continues as a 4th OF guy or not IDK. I hope he comes out of it and plays his best. But I still expect Cowser to get the most abs.
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Who had the OH turning on Jackson Holliday in less than 10 days?
I took the over, but I am an optimist.
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I don’t love Kevin Brown. But I like him a lot. I also see a ton of potential for him to grow. I think the O’s are lucky to have him and I think if our future is as bright as we hope he will be wonderful to chronicle that journey for us.
John Miller isn’t coming back. Nor is Joe Angel.
Kevin Brown is a nugget.
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Best headline ever. Well done.
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Another Positive Indicator for the Orioles Season to Date
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This is true. But it is especially true in situations where there are no outs and a runner on second.