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1 hour ago, OnlyOneOriole said:
Again I am going to use the race horse analogy since I have trained and owned 100s and 100s and that is what I am familiar with.
With the 2 year old fillies and colts, which is when they first start racing, you don't break them and train them down to race only to sit them for a year UNLESS they are injured. The only way they learn and get better is by actually racing. And if they aren't fast enough to compete in stakes races for example? You lower the class of race they compete in to a maiden or NW 1. But you don't just quit on them unless they are lame or so bad that none of it matters.
With Holliday? Ok Elias tried. I agreed with it. But he is obviously too young and too overwhelmed by MLB pitchers that he just was terrible. But at least he and the Os learned from that. Now he can go down to a lower level of class and get better.
Machado? He proved right away that he was a class horse and deserved to be raced (played).
With Kerjstad? How do we know? It is like saying I am going to race him in $100,000 k STAKES races and then keeping him in his stall for 2 months.
I love Elias but I think his handling of the talented players that he has drafted in favor of less talented vets can be called into question.
What did you do in all of your down time when you weren’t busy going pro in 6 sports and raising hundreds of prize race horses? Don’t tell me you have a shrimping boat.
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36 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:
I think you are fighting a losing battle. First, you need to decide what you will post before you hit the button. You can expect someone to capture what you said when you posted it. Talking about your spouse here was beyond stupid. Regardless if you came to your senses 2 minutes later.
What does being elite in a sport have to do with discussing it here on a blog site? Nada!
I’m 53 and have been discussing the Orioles here for more than 20 years. I referee Football as a head official at the Varsity level. My total experience is 27 years. I am also a High School Softball Umpire and have more than 10 years experience. At my option I could do college in both sports. I played Baseball, Football, and Soccer at the High School level. I went in the military before getting my degree. As an adult , I played 20+ years of competitive men’s softball that includes out of state tournaments.
None of that buys me anything here in regard to my opinion on the Orioles or Ravens. On the RSR, their veteran posters didn’t want to here about my experience as an official and quite frankly took my declaration about the matter as my way of telling them I know more than them about the subject.
Honestly, you’d get very little consideration here if you had played MLB. Honestly I doubt Cal’s son Ryan would get any grace here in regard to his opinions. I know he’d likely be popular. And we have guys like @Roy Firestoneposting here and I’d bet he’d tell you he hasn’t gotten the benefit of the doubt from posters here over the years despite being a paid member of the media in his career.
Finally, I suggest as a fellow poster that you just go back to being a fan poster and quit trying to validate the value of your opinion based on anything you’ve done in your life because nobody cares.
Lol calm down buddy, I’m not the OP here.
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4 hours ago, Moose Milligan said:
What, didn’t want to address the baseball part of my post?
You need to go back and qualify your baseball input by telling us how many sports you are elite in to warrant a response on that. Geez man, follow the thread rules!
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@Tony-OH for the love of God, stop the count on this dumpster fire.
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This is probably going to be an unpopular opinion, but I feel like EBJ is getting overrated a good bit. Granted, I haven’t watched him play, but looking at stats and reading scouting reports, it seems like he’s an all defense, stolen base threat, with zero power, and a below average hit tool. His speed and defense seem to make him a good floor bet to be a Billy Hamilton type, but it feels like there is very little ceiling above that for upside. There’s some value in that, but he’s basically an OF Jorge Mateo. I’d argue Mateo has more upside though.
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With Daddy Rubenstein buying the team, hopefully this thread can now just die. Save the prospects, spend the cash. Snell or JMo come on down!!
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2 minutes ago, SoxFan3344 said:
Last 3 years: 32 starts + 200 Ks not easy to come by unless you’re willing to spend $125 mil+ and still have him for 2 full seasons. Again to each their own though, if you can’t get over the walks then so be it but I think you guys have a good enough offense/defense to overcome that
We have a solid young core and very low payroll. We should be augmenting through FA at this point. Someone like Snell or Gray should have been the target from the onset this offseason in my opinion. I’m not opposed to trading some of the top prospects. Cease just isn’t that guy I’d do it for. Most of our core will be here the next 5+ years. I don’t want to sacrifice several high end guys to get a middle rotation arm for 2 years. I’d want more years of control or a higher end target along the lines of a Gerritt Cole.
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4 minutes ago, ChicagoTerp said:
Look, I'm as big of an Oriole homer as there is, but Cease has swing and miss stuff that none of our guys have. Will it be there in Game 2 of the ALDS? Maybe, maybe not, but at least if we get him, there's a chance. Let's not lie to ourselves and pretend he couldn't bring something very valuable to this team.
You need some really exceptional swing and miss stuff if you’re going to carry a 1.42WHIP…
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If you include Tyler Wells, plus John Means SSS, we have 5 SPs coming back that all had lower ERAs than Cease last year. If you take out 2022, Cease looks like a very middle of the road pitcher. He’s not a front line starter like some are building him up to be. The smoke around him is exhausting. We should move on.
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I’ll be happy for the Orioles to move on and the 250+ pages of Cease discussion to end. 3.91ERA in 2021, 2.20 in 2022, and all other years over 4 (4.58 last year). He looks like a guy who had a career year in 2022 and promptly fell back to earth. He’d be behind GrayRod and Bradish, behind Means if he returns to pre-injury form, and I’m not even convinced he’s better than Kremer. He probably marginally improves our back end of the rotation for a couple years. If we give up anything significant for that, I’ll be remarkably disappointed.
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Ownership issues aside, my preference would be to use resources to extend Gunnar and Holliday through their prime career years if possible rather than sign a highly paid reliever. Realizing that won’t happen, let’s go Hader and try to win while they’re here.
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I have a friend like this. Literally cannot even talk to him during games any more. I put him on mute until the end of our playoff run. The Orioles are a lot of fun this year and if folks are sucking that joy out of your life, you gotta cut them out.
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I hate Showalter being included. 10yrs ago we traded a 19y.o. Josh Hader (who had very similar numbers to Showalter at the time in Delmarva) along with LJ Hoes for mediocre Bud Norris. This feels like that
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We’ll be ahead by percentage points though.
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Figured it deserved its own thread. Feels good!
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1. Holliday
2. Cowser
3. Westburg
4. Mayo
5. Kjerstad
6. Ortiz
7. Basallo
8. Armbruester
9. McDermott
10. Hall
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I don’t understand why Ortiz is up if we’re not going to play him. I’ve seen enough of Mateo for a while to justify Ortiz becoming the everyday shortstop for a little while to see what he has.
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Well it’s not an immediate help, but if the Orioles are trying to cap GrayRod’s innings, throwing out of the pen in the postseason didn’t seem to hurt David Price in 2008…
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27 minutes ago, Brooks The Great said:
I'm hoping the reason is that he's waiting for the Super 2 deadline to pass in a week or two.
I don’t think we disagree then… I think the fact that we have decent players already and are winning made it a situation that guys like Westburg had to beat the door down. Now that he’s done that and you see where the calendar is, things like Super 2 factor in.
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2 hours ago, Brooks The Great said:
So according to this line of thinking, the Orioles should never promote Westburg and Cowser.
The "prospects stuggle" and "we don't know that they'd be better than what we have" excuses for not promoting them are BS. Even if Westburg and Cowser have an adjustment period, the team should get that out of the way so that they're more ready to contribute in the playoffs. Not only that, but guys like Mountcastle and Mateo are simply not producing, and they are two of the worst hitters in the league in terms of reaching base.
Westburg and Cowser have a good chance to provide similar or better production to players like Mountcastle (Cowser starting in LF and pushing Hays to RF and Santander 1B/DH essentially makes Cowser a replacement for Mountcastle), Mateo, Frazier, Lester, O'Hearn, McCann (at DH), McKenna, and Hicks. Getting Westburg and Cowser (and Ortiz) up as soon as possible potentially makes the Orioles a better team immediately, and expedites the learning curve so that they can contribute to the team longer-term with more certainty.
You can say it’s BS, but the question was why has Elias made it so these guys not on the Orioles already. Do you have a better explanation?
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I want to see Westburg as much as anyone, but I think his near-term impact is being overstated. Gunnar and Adley were both sub-.800OPS before yesterday and they were both #1 overall prospects. Westburg is going to have an adjustment when he gets to MLB like anyone else. If we had a glaring need, I think he’d have been up already. But there’s no guarantee he’ll outdo what we already have. With that said, the chatter around him is getting louder. But at this point in the year and the fact that he isn’t an obvious upgrade (at least short-term), I absolutely think things like trade deadline and Super 2 factor in to pushing it off.
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Nice to see some dividends working their way through the pipeline from international investment.
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I think winning the East is a realistic goal. I don’t know that we have the SP to win the playoffs, but anything can happen once you’re there. I have to believe that replacing Mateo, Frazier, Mountcastle, and the myriad of guys we play in RF with Holliday, Westburg, Kjerstad, and Cowser makes us a better team in 24/25. Plus I think we’ll get considerably more from GrayRod and Means next year. So no, I wouldn’t mortgage the future to go all in this year.
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Aaron looks to have that dawg in him.
Is Hyde/Sigbot burying another prospect?
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That’s too bad. You would have made a great Forrest Gump, but that shrimp boat is kind of essential. I’m just glad to be able to bask in the presence of all of your accomplishments that you graciously come here to share.