oriolefan1035

Lol calm down buddy, I’m not the OP here.

You need to go back and qualify your baseball input by telling us how many sports you are elite in to warrant a response on that. Geez man, follow the thread rules!

@Tony-OH for the love of God, stop the count on this dumpster fire.

This is probably going to be an unpopular opinion, but I feel like EBJ is getting overrated a good bit. Granted, I haven’t watched him play, but looking at stats and reading scouting reports, it seems like he’s an all defense, stolen base threat, with zero power, and a below average hit tool. His speed and defense seem to make him a good floor bet to be a Billy Hamilton type, but it feels like there is very little ceiling above that for upside. There’s some value in that, but he’s basically an OF Jorge Mateo. I’d argue Mateo has more upside though.

With Daddy Rubenstein buying the team, hopefully this thread can now just die. Save the prospects, spend the cash. Snell or JMo come on down!!

We have a solid young core and very low payroll. We should be augmenting through FA at this point. Someone like Snell or Gray should have been the target from the onset this offseason in my opinion. I’m not opposed to trading some of the top prospects. Cease just isn’t that guy I’d do it for. Most of our core will be here the next 5+ years. I don’t want to sacrifice several high end guys to get a middle rotation arm for 2 years. I’d want more years of control or a higher end target along the lines of a Gerritt Cole.

You need some really exceptional swing and miss stuff if you’re going to carry a 1.42WHIP…

If you include Tyler Wells, plus John Means SSS, we have 5 SPs coming back that all had lower ERAs than Cease last year. If you take out 2022, Cease looks like a very middle of the road pitcher. He’s not a front line starter like some are building him up to be. The smoke around him is exhausting. We should move on.

I’ll be happy for the Orioles to move on and the 250+ pages of Cease discussion to end. 3.91ERA in 2021, 2.20 in 2022, and all other years over 4 (4.58 last year). He looks like a guy who had a career year in 2022 and promptly fell back to earth. He’d be behind GrayRod and Bradish, behind Means if he returns to pre-injury form, and I’m not even convinced he’s better than Kremer. He probably marginally improves our back end of the rotation for a couple years. If we give up anything significant for that, I’ll be remarkably disappointed.

Ownership issues aside, my preference would be to use resources to extend Gunnar and Holliday through their prime career years if possible rather than sign a highly paid reliever. Realizing that won’t happen, let’s go Hader and try to win while they’re here.

I have a friend like this. Literally cannot even talk to him during games any more. I put him on mute until the end of our playoff run. The Orioles are a lot of fun this year and if folks are sucking that joy out of your life, you gotta cut them out.

I hate Showalter being included. 10yrs ago we traded a 19y.o. Josh Hader (who had very similar numbers to Showalter at the time in Delmarva) along with LJ Hoes for mediocre Bud Norris. This feels like that

We’ll be ahead by percentage points though.

Figured it deserved its own thread. Feels good!

1. Holliday 2. Cowser 3. Westburg 4. Mayo 5. Kjerstad 6. Ortiz 7. Basallo 8. Armbruester 9. McDermott 10. Hall

I don’t understand why Ortiz is up if we’re not going to play him. I’ve seen enough of Mateo for a while to justify Ortiz becoming the everyday shortstop for a little while to see what he has.

Well it’s not an immediate help, but if the Orioles are trying to cap GrayRod’s innings, throwing out of the pen in the postseason didn’t seem to hurt David Price in 2008…

I don’t think we disagree then… I think the fact that we have decent players already and are winning made it a situation that guys like Westburg had to beat the door down. Now that he’s done that and you see where the calendar is, things like Super 2 factor in.

You can say it’s BS, but the question was why has Elias made it so these guys not on the Orioles already. Do you have a better explanation?

I want to see Westburg as much as anyone, but I think his near-term impact is being overstated. Gunnar and Adley were both sub-.800OPS before yesterday and they were both #1 overall prospects. Westburg is going to have an adjustment when he gets to MLB like anyone else. If we had a glaring need, I think he’d have been up already. But there’s no guarantee he’ll outdo what we already have. With that said, the chatter around him is getting louder. But at this point in the year and the fact that he isn’t an obvious upgrade (at least short-term), I absolutely think things like trade deadline and Super 2 factor in to pushing it off.

Nice to see some dividends working their way through the pipeline from international investment.

I think winning the East is a realistic goal. I don’t know that we have the SP to win the playoffs, but anything can happen once you’re there. I have to believe that replacing Mateo, Frazier, Mountcastle, and the myriad of guys we play in RF with Holliday, Westburg, Kjerstad, and Cowser makes us a better team in 24/25. Plus I think we’ll get considerably more from GrayRod and Means next year. So no, I wouldn’t mortgage the future to go all in this year.

Aaron looks to have that dawg in him.

Cedric Mullins is leading off tonight so it’s nothing that precludes him from playing.

Gunnar’s development is important as he’s a big part of our plans long-term. Whether he has anything to learn in the minors or not, he’s not helping us win now. We’re contenders and should be playing our best roster possible. I don’t believe that includes Gunnar until he figures his bat out.