Yardball85
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On 2/3/2024 at 8:31 AM, wildcard said:
I am pretty far away from thinking the Os are going to spend 250m to extend Burnes into his late 30s. I think he is more likely to extend young players like Gunnar and Holliday.
Love your "will be 26". I will be 100 one day if I live that long. Hall and Ortiz are both 25 and were projected to have spots on the 2024 26 man roster. Who knows how the season would have progressed for them had they stayed.
I am not saying that Elias made the wrong move. I am saying he has made a mental shift from collecting young talent and guarding all of them to focusing on what he needs to do win the World Series.
In the past Elias might have kept Hall and traded Ortiz if he was blocked for more young talent.
I think if anything, the Flaherty deal evidenced this shift in thinking. Or trading Hernaiz for Irvin. I don't think the Burnes trade evidences anything except what we all knew Elias was doing/trying to do.
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John Angelos be like:
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1 hour ago, Pickles said:
1) I came to make a joke: It's the new market inefficiency.
2) But in seriousness: I don't think it's fair to lump Trevor Bauer and this guy together.
I think it was a reference to German, not Bauer. I could be wrong though. I don't look at Bauer as an abuser.
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So glad this day is finally here. Good riddance.
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Christmas Morning Vibes. Good Morning friends!
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4 hours ago, Winter said:
Rejoice!
Cheers!
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OMG, best news ever. I think it's true...
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54 minutes ago, dystopia said:
Out of all the moves this off-season, this one irritates me the most. He will be a thorn in our side.
Seems like a waste of money to me, idk.
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2 hours ago, Roll Tide said:
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this isn’t including the revenue sharing calculationBut John Angelos needs this money! It's not fair for those mean fans and journalists to expect him to spend it to improve the team! He wants it!
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3 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:
What are the odds of that actually happening?
I'd say about the same as the odds of a guy pouting because he feels he's being underappreciated and isn't getting the chances he thinks he deserves.
Am I pulling that out of thin air? Sure, but so are you.
Instead I'd rather trade out of this needlessly deep depth and either get multiple pieces that are further away or an upgrade to the ML OD roster.
Sensible, logical, post. So of course, people are going to complain about it.
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4 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:
Mike Elias seems like the type of guy who spends six months researching new toasters before he's ready buy one.
What's funny is we said the same type of thing about DD, AM, etc. Common denominator is an Angelos as their boss...
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48 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:
This is a strawman argument by Elias. No one is asking him to reimagine the team. But staying still because "we won 101 games last year" is not a recipe for success, and comes off as very lazy.
Not saying Elias is lazy, and I do think he is working on ways to improve the team, but this quote does not make him look good.
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10 minutes ago, RVAOsFan said:
lol. No thanks.
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25 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:
It's lazy to slam Angelos for this. And I don't mean to slam your post or take a shot at you, I'm just saying it is what it is...and what it is, it's easy to slam Angelos for anything that we don't like on here that has to do with the Orioles. From the lack of moves to the prices of tickets to the food that's sold at the stadium...I mean, I've seen Angelos blamed for all of it and more on here. Some warranted, some of it's not. But like I said, it's lazy to just chalk anything we don't like to Angelos.
At some point we have to recognize that Elias is complicit in this, too. And I'm as big of an Elias fan on the board as anyone else, I think he's most likely been the most important hire in franchise history. I don't think any of us envisioned this franchise being where it is today when he was hired a few years ago. We've got international scouting, signing and development up and running in a really big way, we've adopted analytics, we've been crushing the drafts, we have a staggering amount of good to elite prospects in the system and just won 101 games with a shoestring budget. If @Frobbywants to go back and dig up predictions from the offseason that we hired Elias in and see what people said, I don't think anyone here could have seen this.
But I also don't think Elias lands this job if he and JA don't see eye to eye on things like spending on free agents. I'm assuming, at some point during the interview process, that JA asked Elias what his philosophies were on spending in free agency and if it's necessary to build a winner. And Elias told him what he wanted to hear, either because he really feels that you don't need to spend a lot of money in free agency or because he wanted the job. He wouldn't be the first person to tell a lie on a job interview.
So while we can bash JA for being cheap, I think we can also point to Elias for being cheap, too. Let's keep in mind that he came from the Astros and the Astros have never spent big money on free agents. I think a lot of us overlook that because the Astros have some big names, they have some star power. They've also traded for some star power and took on some payroll, too. But they're never been big spenders in free agency. I mean, Hader just became their biggest free agent signing in recent history at 5/95. I read on the Athletic the last time they spent more than 60 million was on Carlos Lee in 2006 when he got 6/100.
That's where Elias comes from, that's where his philosophies were developed and I think that's what he believes...that you don't have to spend in free agency to win.
I'm Moose Milligan, thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
I don't take this as slamming my post or having a shot taken at me, and I stand by my post. JA has done nothing to win the hearts of people in Baltimore, from his slimy behavior at MLK press conference last year to his handling of Kevin Brown to the bizarre announcement that the Orioles had a deal to remain in Baltimore back in September when it was not truly agreed to until months later.
And you're right that the Astros did not spend big in free agency. And the Orioles do not need to either. But as you pointed out, the Astros have taken on payroll and made trades to improve. It can't all come from homegrown players, even if you do an incredible job if growing your own players like the Astros have. Still waiting on our Verlander/Cole impact trade.
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5 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:
Adjust expectations accordingly.
That's right. No one should be surprised.
I can't get mad at water for being wet. Until the Orioles step up and do this, I will continue to believe that they never will because that's who they've shown themselves to be. On a similar note, I'll believe it when I see it when it comes to Elias trading prospects for significant ML talent.
We can rant and rave on here, we can dissect things up and down, we can ramble at length about what they should do, what they need to do, what makes sense for them to do. But I don't believe any of those things will happen because they haven't shown us that they have the ability to do so.
Good post and good way of looking at things. I wish I didn't get so frustrated over the lack of moves, but it just is what it is with this ownership.
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2 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:
I've got no problem with Roch defending the hand that feeds him. As he should.
I have no problem with it, as in I get why he does it. Doesn't make it any less annoying as a fan.
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https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/39367168/sources-dodgers-james-paxton-closing-1-year-deal
Paxton to the Dodgers. I didn't necessarily want him, but cue Roch coming in saying this was too expensive for the poor Orioles.
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13 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:
It makes a lot of sense to make sure the O's are an actual contender before signing someone to a big (3/33M) deal.
Wouldn't want to rush the process.
Once the team is for sure established the money will be there.
For the record Roch is never "cool" with being proven wrong.
LOL. Everyone saw this coming from the Orioles. And now Roch can defend them.
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34 minutes ago, wildcard said:
Should we count on Cowser, Holliday, Ortiz, Kjerstad? What is the difference?
I don't know that anyone is "counting" on those guys either. But they are all higher-ranked prospects than McDermott, so I have a better feeling about their chances of success than McDermott's.
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Good thread topic. Markakis and Hays have to be up there. It seems like this past year at least, teams took notice and knew not to run on Hays.
Side note: Worst arm I have ever seen (non Oriole) - Johnny Damon. Ramirez cutting off his throw will never not be funny.
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6 hours ago, wildcard said:
It is movement. Players that were on the team are not here. Players that were in the minors or were out most of last year with injuries will play. Its not standing still. It is a strategy. It a way to keep players for up to 6 years.
You want to call it turnout, fine. But it is not standing still. Its improving through development.
It is absolutely standing still. The team should be adding players and improving while the new guys come up. Wasn't that what we were always told? They'll spend when they are competitive?
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1 hour ago, Pickles said:
There's a lot of debate about playoff odds, and improving the team in regards to being able to compete better in the playoffs. Just thought this was an interesting question, and reflective of people's psychology.
Ooops, I misread the prompt! I thought it was win the Wild Card Round and the Divisional Round.
I'd prefer the 100 wins if the end result in the playoffs is the same.
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43 minutes ago, Pickles said:
I'm quite complacent with winning 100 games.
What guarantees do you have that the team wins 100 games? Sure, I would also say we do not need to make any more moves if we win 100 games (though I would hope we have enough starting pitching for the playoffs). But it is just as likely that they win 85-90 games and are fighting for a wild card spot as it is they win 100 IMO.
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1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:
This whole, well it happened last year so therefore it will happen this year argument is so stupid.
Soooo stupid.
Spring Training Roster Locks, Near Locks, and Bubble (Position Players)
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Here's an article I wrote last week addressing the current state of the roster. Fun time of the year for sure.
https://birdswatcher.com/posts/baltimore-orioles-2024-opening-day-roster-projection-1-0-01hnp14b0m12