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Confused as to why posting a pitching line garners a downvote.

His range has always been suspect. I’d take him back if he worked out at 3B. There were scouts going back to AFL that profiled him there.

I mentioned this in a game thread recently. While his arm appears plenty strong enough for 3B, he has a habit of shuffling his feet after fielding to get in better throwing position. It’s led to more than one close play because of it and it’s something he needs to clean up.

So, they got rid of them all just in time?

He’s +6 DRS this year and for his career at 2B. Below average at 3B and well below that at SS. Schoop was slightly above this year and 6 DRS for his career.

Wow, losing it with two outs in the 9th has to be tough. 130+ pitches

Just tripled to RF off Tommy Hunter.

I think it’s hurting Mancini. He already looks to be in his head and he’s been visibly frustrated many times this season. Someone explain how it helps. Or, Davis snapping a bat over his knee during one of his prolific slumps. How about hitting yourself in the head with a bat?

That was my point. The claim has been made of other players who don’t show ‘enough’ emotion. It’s a ridiculous assertion and Markakis is an example of someone who gives max effort while not losing control whenever things are bad.

Yeah, pretty even keel. Very rarely saw him visibly upset. Of course, on this board some people would accuse him of not caring enough.

Grich should be in. I don’t care if Smith never gets in, disagreeable jerk. Still friends with Reggie Jr. though.

Probably right.

Verlander is a stud. Probably too much to think the Orioles could have put together a package like the Astros did and he would have likely nixed the deal anyway.

I guess you missed my post after the one you quoted here. Some supposition in what I agreed with in @Sessh‘s post, but still interesting. Is it naïveté on my part or hubris on your part that determines Ruth’s guilt (frame it as you will)? This strikes me as opinion more than fact which you’re entitled to have. However, I’ve researched it as well. Ruth may have cheated (corked bat) but PEDs weren’t even invented yet. Amphetamines? Maybe, but it’s far more likely he abused alcohol (not performance enhancing) in copious amounts. This is from an earlier article which i believe is still relevant. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2013/12/30/5255996/mlb-baseball-drugs-peds-steroids-amphetamines-greenies-hall-fame I don’t idolize players past or present. My run-ins with a former great, pathological in his addiction, who I idolized as a kid proved that to me once and for all. Ruth, Mantle (don’t think he did and probably shortened his career by abusing alcohol) Mays or Aaron all may have cheated in one degree or another, but (and it’s certainly a mitigating factor) the change in body mass and improved stamina one can achieve with anabolic steroids iwithout question does improve performance. Do amphetamines change body mass in any way? Not to my knowledge, but I may be naive. Are there positive effects? Sure. I drink more coffee when I’m tired or slam down some Dr Peppers. I’m instantly energized, but sodas and coffee is hardly an elixir. Greenies may have given those who used them a temporary boost, but they weren’t slamming 60-70 HRs over several years because of them. Now, is there any difference between cheaters? Absolutely not. Gaylord Perry cheated. In the Hall. McGwire, Bonds, Clemens all cheated and the walls are gradually coming down. More than ever people and especially writers seem to be saying, “Ah, this has always gone on. Why should we keep them out now?” Well, Roy Oswalt didn’t cheat. And I thought he made a compelling argument. A day after Berkman told the Chronicle that he’d love it if all the dirty players are exposed Oswalt admitted that he was so proud of his teammates’ candor that he sent him a text message thanking him for speaking out for all the clean players. “I feel the same way,” Oswalt said via phone from Mississippi a day after Rodriguez admitted taking steroids. “I feel that going out there natural against these guys that are taking the drugs is not fair to me. They’re already All-Star players and they’re taking drugs. That’s not fair for me. They’re cheating.” https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chron.com/sports/astros/amp/Astros-Oswalt-backs-Berkman-calls-out-steroids-1748090.php I guess the argument can be made that if the integrity clause is violated who determines the severity of the punishment. Or, how is it determined? That’s why the HOF is there. Maybe baseball shouldn’t moralize at all about anything. But then treat it like wrestling where you know it’s a con instead of a game with rules and yes, integrity. Maybe they’re all painted with a broad brush, I don’t know. I do know that if I had played I’d be pretty ticked off if I played it clean while other guys cheated.

Good stuff, very informative. I’m still not convinced what Ruth tried was significant. Maybe he wasn’t smart enough to get the good stuff back then. Don’t know and don’t hold him up as some bastion of baseball honor. I don’t disagree whether general tenor of your post.

I didn’t expect you to make an argument based on a single story from almost 100 years ago. C’est la vie.

Was there a rule against it? How do you know his intent? Maybe he really thought it would help him go all night. Snutchy was right, this thread is comical.

So, based on the Sheep’s Testicle Extract story Ruth was a PED abuser? Seems logical.

Yeah, I’d heard he wasn’t always that personable, but I don’t know how you make the leap to what you’re claiming.

I’m not going with you down that rabbit hole again, but I disagree with your premise.

I’m not sure I do either. Baseball whitewashed the beginning of the steroid era and guys like Ortiz have become beloved in the game. Rodriguez is a color guy (pretty good commentary, too) on FOX. Brian Roberts. And Millar....ugh. Paving the way to normalize the guys who also got caught and are HOF eligible.

It’s not money. His contract runs through 2023. Ego is my guess, wanted to be back on top.

I thought it was the right move at the time, but I’m less inclined to say so now. Also, I look at the box score and his highlights everyday to see what he’s doing. Class act.

If he finishes with an OPS over .700 it’ll be a great year for him.

Hmm, not a good look, but as MM said, JP can do what he wants. Manny’s hair otoh....