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. I love Schoop but Villar brings long term/better chance to stick at 2B and is superior in that regard. He has a year longer in control while being cheaper. Takes pitches and has speed on the base path, etc. Schoop def has the better arm and more power, but tbh Villar may be a better option for this team long term and he happened to be the 3rd, yes 3rd, piece in the deal behind two strong prospects for the rebuild. Idk why some here act like it was a weak return. Going to guess because there wasn't a top 100 prospect in it but man does it look like a damn good deal. Villar may not fit here long term and he won't continue to perform like he has thus far. But he has proven, when healthy, to be a very solid 2b. To get that and two good young prospects got a guy expiring in a year and a couple months...pretty darn solid.

Don't think he was ranked. No #'s as far as $$$ goes either. Again though, rankings are great and all but these are 16 yr old kids. There's lots of small signing guys every year that end up being a serious hit every year. Just like some of the top/ranked guys disappear and never work out.

Looks like a big kid.

Update: (as of Aug 20): The Orioles on Monday announced they have come to terms on a deal with international outfield prospect Isaac Bellony, a 16-year-old out of the Dominican Republic. Bellony, who was born in the Virgin Islands, signed for $220,000, per MLB.com's Jesse Sanchez. "Bellony is a young switch-hitting center fielder with power, speed and a strong arm, who was recruited by several clubs," Orioles executive vice president of baseball operations Dan Duquette said in a statement released by the club. "We look forward to helping him develop into a Major Leaguer." "I'd say two words, '[Jonathan Schoop],'" manager Buck Showalter said, referring to the O's last homegrown international big leaguer, who was dealt to Milwaukee at the non-waiver Trade Deadline. "It's exciting for us if that [is] the case, it's not like we haven't signed anybody. ... Just look around the rosters of baseball, it's pretty obvious. Just watch All-Star Games, just do the percentages, it's obvious that that's a part of the industry that you need to be involved with if you can." The O's have also signed Dominican Republic shortstop Moises Ramirez for $225,000 and outfielder Damien Valdez, also from the Dominican Republic, for $200,000. Additionally, they signed J'Rudjeanon Isenia, a center fielder from Curacao, for $125,000. Smaller deals include pacts with right-handed pitchers Carlos Del Rosario and Kelvin LaRoche of the Dominican Republic. The Orioles have an estimated $7.5 million in bonus pool left to spend on international prospects, more than any other team. They could be preparing to make a run at Cuban outfielder prospect Victor Victor Mesa, when he becomes a free agent and eligible to sign. Baltimore began the signing period on July 2 with $5,504,500 in bonus pool money, and it received an additional $2.5 million in the Kevin Gausman trade with Atlanta and another $250,000 from the Braves for reliever Brad Brach. The Brach deal last month represented the first time in the organization's history that it traded for international signing money.

Oh they def will, his value just takes a hit if he's just at 1B so I'd prefer to see him elsewhere. Fingers crossed he keeps improving at 3B.

Eh. That's worst case. His 3B defense has improved so LF or 2B would likely be the ideal alternative if 3B doesn't work.

I would be for this unless we plan to move Mountcastle there down the road.

I'm just gonna stop reading here...

Diaz, Ortiz, and Tate def have that potential. JCE, Zimmerman, Carmona, Cumberland, Bannon and Kremer definitely have potential to either be solid pieces (Zimm a #3/#4 with his uptick in stuff, Cumberland if they have the view like FG has of him), and Carmona/JCE have a chance to be top end prospects in our system in a year or two from now with good development. Pop, Phillips, Carroll, and co. who project as relievers all have seriously good stuff and reason to believe they can be backend of the bullpen guys or at the very least 7th inning/middle relievers. We definitely got pieces that can be huge for the rebuild back at this deadline and with the Britton/Manny deals. Think you are underselling what we got. Guys don't have to be on a top 100 list to either continue improving and break past what people think (Zimm, Cumberland, Tate, Ortiz, Kremer definitely at the top when talking about this) and we got some guys with upside to be at a top tier level in a year or two from now (JCE/Carmona). These were for guys that were either expiring, a year out of expiring, and a guy in Gaus that clearly wasn't going to turn the corner here and has had a mid 4 FIP the last two years. The $2.5M in IFA $ needs to be taken into account as well. That's a massive allotment. Yankees just traded a solid reliever in Warren for just $1.5M alone. Not to mention we unloaded a bad contract in DOD and shed 30M+ in cash to help provide resources for what DD has been talking about since he got the go ahead from John/Lou.

Good catch, didn't see that but makes sense with his age.

Yeah, they loooooove Cumberland. I believe Sickels or someone else had him as a top 150 guy coming into the season too. Just going to assume our FO has him in FG/Sickels realm more than MLB.com.

Gotcha. Thanks for the quick write-up. Looking forward to your thoughts on Zimmerman. Looks like a guy who fell through the cracks, ATL scooped up, and they were reaping the benefits as he's showing this year so far (signed him for dirt cheap after they drafted him last year, stuff is a tick up this year from what he was, etc.). Phillips looks like a solid RP for us down the road. At least that's my outlook on the two arms.

What's your take on the full return on both deals? Didn't see it or hear your thoughts.

If someone could post this...

Signed at age 18 out of the Dominican Republic for just $10,000 in May 2016, Encarnacion had a relatively non-descript pro debut in the Dominican Summer League that year. Encarnacion's United States debut in '17, however, which saw him play in both the Gulf Coast and Appalachian Leagues, put him much more firmly on the prospect radar, and he made a nice transition to full-season ball in '18. Tall, lean and athletic, Encarnacion screams projection. At the plate, he's shown the ability to hit the ball hard to all fields from the right side. His impressive hand-eye coordination allows him to find the barrel consistently, though he'll have to improve his plate discipline to continue hitting for average. That will also allow him to tap into his raw power, which is sure to show up even more as he fills out his 6-foot-3 frame. Encarnacion played some shortstop initially after signing, but he's settled in at third base, where his arm and defensive actions have the chance to work long-term. Encarnacion is still an unfinished product, but his upside is undeniable and he's already flashing pretty impressive tools. With some patience, he could develop into a very solid player at the hot corner. http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2018?list=atl Yeah, emphasis on projection all over his report. Let's kill a guy who is super young with loud tools because of his obp and k rate in A ball.

Never seen a trade or player we get Atomic doesn't trash.

I get being upset about no top Braves arm but again, every report has been given the green light for us.

Yeah, young hitter not walking. That never happens. Doesn't deny the upside. There's a reason he's highly regarded.

You will see them put way higher. JCE was 14 in a loaded Braves system.

Cumberland was a top 150 guy prior to the season. That'd be surprising if he's that low.