bluedog
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Orioles related trade rumors and speculation leading up to the deadline
bluedog replied to Roll Tide's topic in Orioles Talk
I'd rather have Kjerstad up than Carlson. But I agree with Lorenzen and a setup guy. -
Orioles related trade rumors and speculation leading up to the deadline
bluedog replied to Roll Tide's topic in Orioles Talk
It's hilarious that the Mets extracted a top 100 prospect from the Rangers by shipping them Scherzer and then another top 100 from the Astros for Verlander. Basically both teams just stayed on par with each other but lost a quality prospect in the process... -
Orioles related trade rumors and speculation leading up to the deadline
bluedog replied to Roll Tide's topic in Orioles Talk
Take out Hall and yes. I'm still high on Hall. -
Orioles related trade rumors and speculation leading up to the deadline
bluedog replied to Roll Tide's topic in Orioles Talk
Maybe he feels that the price will be lower if he waits until the last minute. -
Maybe its the Yankees depending on how badly we beat them over the weekend.
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I've never been more excited to be an Orioles fan
bluedog replied to Greg Pappas's topic in Orioles Talk
Serious question - why would a sale after Angelos dies be any different in terms of tax implications? -
Orioles related trade rumors and speculation leading up to the deadline
bluedog replied to Roll Tide's topic in Orioles Talk
That trade tool REALLY likes Coby Mayo and thinks Holliday is 1.6 times more valuable than Cease (which I think still undervalues him). -
Orioles related trade rumors and speculation leading up to the deadline
bluedog replied to Roll Tide's topic in Orioles Talk
Agreed. Except for the guy that suggested Holliday for Cease last week, that's the worst O's trade idea I've seen floated anywhere this year. -
Orioles related trade rumors and speculation leading up to the deadline
bluedog replied to Roll Tide's topic in Orioles Talk
I suggested the O's could send Urias and / or Hays (before Mullins got hurt again) to the Fish for pitching a couple of weeks back and got trashed for it. People really dislike the idea of trading vets from the team during a playoff run. We know Elias has no problem with doing that given what he did last year, but it's not a popular idea on OH for sure. I would have no problem moving Urias for P prospects if it cleared space for Ortiz at the major league level. Also, Elias is the guy that traded away our All-Star closer and our most popular hometown "feel good" player in the midst of a playoff run for a bunch of prospects. I seriously doubt he takes optics into consideration when making these kinds of decisions. -
I've never been more excited to be an Orioles fan
bluedog replied to Greg Pappas's topic in Orioles Talk
I'd be pretty excited about Julio Urias in an O's uni. -
I've never been more excited to be an Orioles fan
bluedog replied to Greg Pappas's topic in Orioles Talk
My buddy made a good point that the O's may never be more valuable than right after Holliday debuts next year. The hype over having 3 back to back to back #1 prospects all under team control for half a decade might drive team value over $2B. Perfect time to sell. -
I've never been more excited to be an Orioles fan
bluedog replied to Greg Pappas's topic in Orioles Talk
One of my favorite moments as an O's fan. He was such an exceptional talent. -
I've never been more excited to be an Orioles fan
bluedog replied to Greg Pappas's topic in Orioles Talk
I have a buddy whos front office finance for a non-MLB pro franchise and he's told me that he's hearing rumors that there is a strong push being made by an extremely well financed group to buy the Orioles from the Angelos family. The same excitement we have for the O's may be attracting deep pockets who want to own the team during this championship window. -
Orioles related trade rumors and speculation leading up to the deadline
bluedog replied to Roll Tide's topic in Orioles Talk
Fair point. I assume a trade for one or more SPs would have to precede a trade of ECab. Again - I didn't propose Westburg for ECab and I wouldn't like it if we traded for him. By the way - Chris Sale was 21 and had 3 more years of control (very similar to ECab) and generated a 4 for one trade. Sale was without question far superior to ECab and required a huge haul to get, but the argument that young high-upside SPs with multiple years of team control don't get traded in 4 for 1 trades isn't true. And before you point out some other reason ECab for 4 O's is different than the Sale trade - of course all trades are different and you can find something unprecedented about almost any proposed trade. The bottom line is a 4 for 1 trade for ECab is plausible, regardless of whether it's likely or not. White Sox get: Yoán Moncada, Michael Kopech, Luis Alexander Basabe, Victor DiazRed Sox get: Chris Sale -
Orioles related trade rumors and speculation leading up to the deadline
bluedog replied to Roll Tide's topic in Orioles Talk
He's not a Top 10 prospect this year. They don't do that trade last year, but this year they might. -
Orioles related trade rumors and speculation leading up to the deadline
bluedog replied to Roll Tide's topic in Orioles Talk
Okay I can agree with that. In fact I'll go one better - SP prospects tend to be overvalued relative to positional players I think. I bet it would be harder to get the fish to do a 1 for 1 swap if they were still both prospects. But I think some of the shine is off ECab based on how he's pitched this year. If the fish were to pick up a better option (Verlander with the Mets eating all the salary?) they might move on from ECab for the right package - especially if it included a major league starter who filled a position of need. The fish are dead last in WAR from 3b (-2.3) and could use an upgrade there. -
Orioles related trade rumors and speculation leading up to the deadline
bluedog replied to Roll Tide's topic in Orioles Talk
You mean like this one?? https://www.mlb.com/news/jorge-lopez-traded-by-orioles-to-twins Contending team - check Contender trades all star for 4 prospects - check I guess Elias isn't smart enough to know your quality over quantity rule. -
Orioles related trade rumors and speculation leading up to the deadline
bluedog replied to Roll Tide's topic in Orioles Talk
Go back to the original post. I didn't propose Westburg for ECab. I just said I wouldn't make that trade and asked whether the O's have the depth to swing a trade headlined with Urias instead. I actually am not a big fan of ECab. Just throwing it out for discussion which was apparently a mistake given how passionately you feel about it. -
Orioles related trade rumors and speculation leading up to the deadline
bluedog replied to Roll Tide's topic in Orioles Talk
Granted. I just think the O's have the depth beyond their Top 100 guy to swing a trade like this. If not those 3 guys, then Pham, Beavers, Wagner, McFarland, etc. -
Orioles related trade rumors and speculation leading up to the deadline
bluedog replied to Roll Tide's topic in Orioles Talk
Is there a way to realistically get all the AAA talent into productive roles at the big league level? I'm seriously asking. C Adley 1b Mayo 2b Westy ss Ortiz (Holliday) 3b Gunnar RF Hjerstad CF Mullins (Fabian) LF Hayes (Cowser) DH / backup C Basallo Util Norby Util Ohearn With injuries and the likelihood that some of our prospects will struggle in the majors, isn't it good to have that kind of depth? -
Orioles related trade rumors and speculation leading up to the deadline
bluedog replied to Roll Tide's topic in Orioles Talk
That's actually a good question. By stats alone, he's been inferior so far in his career to Bradish. He's got tons of upside, but who knows if he's the 2022 guy that pitched to a 3.01 ERA / 1.07 WHIP (albeit in only 71.2 IP) or the 2023 guy that's rocking a 4.74 ERA / 1.42 WHIP. I was just answering the questions about Westburg for ECab which is a trade I wouldn't do. I believe that 6 years of Westy is more valuable than 3+ years of an ECab that might end up being 4.00 ERA / 1.3 WHIP guy over his career. -
Orioles related trade rumors and speculation leading up to the deadline
bluedog replied to Roll Tide's topic in Orioles Talk
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Orioles related trade rumors and speculation leading up to the deadline
bluedog replied to Roll Tide's topic in Orioles Talk
Let me put it another way. Would you trade Kjerstad + Westburg + Hall for the guys the Nats got from the Padres? -
Orioles related trade rumors and speculation leading up to the deadline
bluedog replied to Roll Tide's topic in Orioles Talk
I wouldn't do Westburg for ECab, but the fish do need infield help. Would we do Edward Cabrera for Ramon Urias + X non-top 100 prospects? -
Orioles related trade rumors and speculation leading up to the deadline
bluedog replied to Roll Tide's topic in Orioles Talk
Agreed, but maybe they do care about salary to the extend that it will open up room to attempt to get Ohtani?