ChosenOne21
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Eddie surprises me. Doesn't seem like the kind of thing he'd do. But I love to see it.
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2 hours ago, Yossarian said:
They are being cautious with Means and not putting too many miles on that arm. Just think, by his age 42/43 season, he will have the arm of a 25 year-old.
I get that maybe that's the ethical thing to do, but you'd think teams would ride their impending free agents like rented mules more often.
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14 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:
Won't Luzardo cost Mayo at least?
It seems like the Marlins were insisting on Basallo, and the Orioles wouldn't part with him.
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2 hours ago, emmett16 said:
They really like that move. I think I heard talk of MLB not allowing that in the future.
I'm guessing they don't like that it removes the contract from being used in future arbitration decisions? The simple fix would be to allow club options, but once the players and clubs have exchanged figures, any contract with only one year guaranteed counts for future decisions.
The players probably won't like that, or any rule, that limits their negotiating options.
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34 minutes ago, RZNJ said:
According to Fangraphs he has over 5 years of service time heading into this year so he would have been a FA after this season. If so, signing a club option for 2025 with no guaranteed money makes no sense at all. To pick up an extra 300K and avoiding arbitration where he might have picked up an extra 600K? I must be missing something.
I wonder if he and his agent thought the Orioles would move one of Cowser, Kjerstad, Santander, Mountcastle, Stowers, or anyone else who would compete with him for playing time, increasing his leverage. When they didn't, maybe it was time to retreat to safety?
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9 minutes ago, RZNJ said:
Why would O’Hearn and his agent sign this? He isn’t guaranteed anything for 2025 but the Orioles can keep him if they want. No big deal to me but what is O’Hearns incentive for agreeing to a club option?
Probably because his career is hanging by a thread and he didn't want to risk 300K by going to arbitration. He's basically a platoon first baseman who's about to be on the wrong side of 30 who has had one good year in the last five or so. There's a good chance this season is his last, and he doesn't want to risk leaving any money on the table.
At least that's my guess.
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I went with the out-of-options players in Irvin, Baumann, and Webb
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22 minutes ago, dystopia said:
How nice is it to even be on a graphic like this? Hardly feels real.
I think the Mariners have the best rotation listed here. O’s 2nd, Jays and Astros are a wash, and the Skanks are a distant 5th. Kind of a joke they’re even on this list honestly.
The Yankees rotation has a lot of health question marks, but a sky-high ceiling. Without looking at every team's rotation I can't say if they belong here or not, but there is a lot of upside.
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1 minute ago, DirtyBird said:
How much cash you think we paid for these guys, F-Face?
I'm not F-Face, but these deals are usually very small amounts of cash for a MLB team. Like four or five digits.
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21 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:
LOL. The guy makes one trade and now he's "all in" and mortgaging the future for a World Series? He traded two aging prospects who realistically projected to be a solid utility type player and a back end reliever. We're not the Tampa Bay Rays. We never were. The only reason John Angelos tied Elias' hands financially was to make the team more appealing to a perspective buyer. We may not quite be on the same level as the Dodgers, but with the new ownership set to take over I think we're going to be a lot closer to that business model than the Rays. As someone else mentioned the Dodgers do a great job of developing young talent and taking advantage of the FA market. I expect us to do the same, even if it's on smaller financial scale.
Elias has so much prospect capital that trading his spare parts would be many other teams' "all-in" Losing Ortiz barely moves the needle on our ability to compete in the future and, honestly, he's so good at finding relievers on the scrap heap I'm not sure losing Hall moves the needle much either.
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25 minutes ago, wildcard said:
To me the trade for Corbin Burnes represents a mentality shift for Elias. Since 2018 when he was hired he has been all about collecting high ceiling talent. And he guarded that talent consistently. Not trading it. Taking every opportunity to add to the young talent.
But with the Burnes trade it feels to me like Elias has shifted to "How do I win a World Series". He just traded 12 years of young talent control for one year of a veteran ace. That is counter to what he has done up to this point.
I have no doubt that Elias worked on the Burnes trade for three months just like he says. But I am sure there have been other trades he as worked on that he didn't pull the trigger on because he was guarding the young talent. The Cease trade is a example. Just couldn't give up that talent. And I am sure there have been others in the recent years.
It was a big decision to trade DL Hall. 1st rounder with great stuff and a big future. Some may think of him as a reliever but in my mind that is because he is a late developer because of injuries. Given the chance, coaching, and health he still has a huge up side of being a starter with wipe out stuff. 6 years of that talent just walked out the door. Talent that Elias has guarded up until now.
Same with Ortiz but he was kinda blocked. But he should have been in ST and made the O's opening day roster. Best SS in the organization. He is probably more ready than Holliday at this point. 6 more years of control of a talented player walked.
This a real mental shift for Elias. Its really go for it for one big World Series year. Focus on one year instead of the focus on the next six years. Sure the O's have other talent that allows this shift. But make no mistake this is the first real example of trading young talent for short term improvement.
I agree that this is the first offseason Elias has had a good reason to deal from his high-end talent surpluses.
I think the main reason we don't have Cease isn't because Elias is "hoarding talent" but because the White Sox's demands were ridiculous.
People are dreaming if they think D.L. Hall has more than like a 5% chance to be a good MLB starter. The command isn't there and he'll struggle to get you five innings most days. Sure, maybe the O's couldn't unlock him and the Brewers can, but Hall has been around for, what, six years now? He also hasn't been durable and I think his max IP for a season is 89. He's a reliever, and quite likely a darn good one and that's fine.
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1 minute ago, Pickles said:
I question how diverse this ownership group is anyway. Seems like the primary owners are all rich, white, Jewish guys, and Cal Ripken.
Grant Hill is rich, black, and I'm guessing not Jewish.
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I think it needs not be lost in here that Peter Angelos is a bad baseball owner but a good man. We can be glad him and his family don't own the team anymore, I certainly am, but he wasn't some kind of failed human.
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I never liked the realistic bird. Reminds me too much of the dark years from 1998-2011.
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12 minutes ago, LTO's said:
This seems incredibly unlikely.
For sure. Mayo at 3B and Westburg at 2B seems more likely, and it's far from a sure thing that Mayo breaks camp.
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7 minutes ago, Safelykept said:
Kremer Is our #3? this board continues to go to sleep on John Means
It's at least possible Kremer pitches better than Means and ends up our #3, though I do agree right now he's the 4.
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2 hours ago, Roll Tide said:
Better than Kremer ….hes our #3 starter. We will be lucky to get a guy to be a 5th starter that’s slightly better than what we have available now. Replacing Gibson was an Elias failure. The offseason is an Elias failure. Kimbrel is an old worn out shoe and Angelos is cheap. Neither is serious about winning a World Series. If they were they would’ve upgraded the team in some meaningful way.
If they trade for Cease he's better than Kremer. I still think there's a pretty good chance that happens, though there's also a pretty good chance it doesn't.
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I think there's a great chance they trade for someone better than Kremer, but the prediction I'm most comfortable with is "better than our 5th starter options."
I have to believe they'll do something. They can't use all these prospects.
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On 1/25/2024 at 6:28 PM, Orange said:
For Luzardo? That package doesn't scratch the surface. Needs a headliner from our top 5 or 6... and probably another good one. Ortiz has some value but those other guys aren't worth much. Luzardo is a bona-fide LH ace with three years of control.
For sure. You're lucky if you can get Luzardo without including Mayo or Basallo. You're definitely not getting him without Cowser, Kjerstad, or Westburg in the deal, and the Marlins would be within rights to demand two out of those three.
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1 hour ago, webbrick2010 said:
A bold and very Tampa Bay move would be to move Adley for pitching and slide in Basallo as catcher in 1 to 2 years
Adley looks to be a .260 ish 20 homer guy that is not even a great defensive catcher who is already 26
I'd say he'll probably be more like a .280/20 HR guy with above average catcher defense who will have multiple years better than that.
I don't totally hate the idea though, but it's probably next offseason at the earliest before the team considers moving Adley if they ever would.
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Yeah, Jones would have had to double his career WAR to be a shoo-in for the Hall. Great baseball player, but not an all-time great.
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9 hours ago, Orioles0615 said:
I want to see the total they have spent on these moves like this, its probably enough to sign an actual good player
I doubt it. A lot of MLB cash transactions are 4-5 figures. It's quite possible we bought Tyler Nevin for $1,000.
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4 minutes ago, Frobby said:
Just look at who Hernandez was traded for last winter: Erik Swanson and Adam Macko. That’s a reasonable approximation of what Santander would bring back in a trade.
A damn good reliever and a SP lottery ticket? Sign me up.
But you're right that it isn't an absolute ton and no one is looking at Santander and salivating about trading their top prospects for him.
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11 minutes ago, Malike said:
Hader got less money than Diaz. I hope his ego can recover, I heard he wanted more by even a dollar according to MLB Radio chatter.
When you account for deferrals, he got more in present value making the contract a bigger cap hit than Diaz's. So he kind of got more money I guess?
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I actually was not aware of that. Never mind!
He just always struck me as a guy who was kind of done with baseball and done with the city of Baltimore, but maybe not.