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But it isn't obvious. Elias was in charge of the Astros draft when they picked Forrest Whitley. What we've seen so far with the Orioles is that Elias isn't willing to draft any pitcher in the first four rounds. That isn't High School specific.

I did.

That specifically? No clue.

They beat the A's and the A's beat the Rays.

So where is Mullins? Oh yea, Sarasota. For the same reason Hall is. Kinda like why Manoah is in Dunedin.

Here is a teaser for you.

Since Elias has been in command how many players has he acquired that have more than two years guaranteed on their contracts? How many players have guaranteed contracts for next season?

Elias likes rentals, they aren't under contract next year. That's a feature, not a bug. Anyway, you need to accept risk. The stars are not going to align to give the O's a cost effective impact player with years of team control for peanuts. If you sit there waiting for the best deal you end up sitting out.

Do you think they can get where we want them to go without accepting some risk?

Classic OH let's get rid of everyone I want gone trade offer. Just like the Cardinals would covet Mountcastle.

I think the deloading program wasn't building his velocity back up so they took him out of a competitive environment to try a more intensive workout regime. Wildcard was spouting nonsense about him becoming a pitcher and not a thrower, that isn't what we've been seeing. He's a thrower that doesn't have a plus fastball anymore. It looks like they are going to waste his whole season.

Of course he isn't. No one with a reasonable opinion on the matter would say so.

Thankfully Means figured stuff out on his own.

Rough one.

WHAT? I showed evidence that the O's are not following the Astros plan and I get are, well sure they aren't. Who would expect them to? Folks here misrepresent what the Rays and Astros do and did all the time. The Astros absolutely tried to draft and develop pitching, they still are. You don't see them waiting until the 5th round to select pitchers year after year. The Rays extend young players to team favorable deals. The O's are *almost* exclusively drafting and developing hitters while emphasizing players on one and two year contracts. Now maybe that works out, but it sure ain't what those other two teams are doing.

Hall losing velocity doesn't make him a pitcher, it makes him a thrower with worse stuff.

The following pitchers were picked in the first round during the period when Elias was in charge of the Astro draft (2013-2017) Mark Appel Brady Aiken Forrest Whitley J.B. Bukauskas

He's such a fine dancer....

I don't consider 4.0 IP, 5H, 3R, 3ER, L fixed. Baseball players tend to talk up their teammates and coaches. It's an admirable trait but fans take it a bit too seriously. Irvin doesn't look fixed. Grayson doesn't look fixed. Hall doesn't look fixed.

That's in the box thinking for the other 29 teams. Twenty-nine of 30 teams made a pitch to Ohtani.

4.0 IP, 5H, 3R, 3ER, L

What pitcher is getting fixed in Norfolk?

It's just kinda insane to me to blame Dan for Hall's issues. If you know you can't develop him, trade him. To have him just sitting there not making progress year after year, it's baffling.