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Yes, ultimately they chose not to deal. But 3 days before the deadline it was still being widely speculated whether the Padres would or wouldn’t. Would we have had to overpay in prospects? Absolutely. Jim Bowden in The Athletic July 28th What would it take for the Braves to pry Josh Hader away from the Padres? — Sam A. I think it would take a package along the lines of right-handed pitcher AJ Smith-Shawver and shortstop Vaughn Grissom for the Braves to land Hader, an impending free agent, at the deadline. That’s if the Padres decide to sell.

I have seen it lol .. Go back to Jim Johnson threads or Zach even or Jorge last year. We are a fickle bunch lol The point is that right now YC is pitching in a different role as closer than he did all year and that yes he was outstanding and amazing in early months, but he was in the noncloser role… and this is late September and he has not been nearly as effective in the closer role.

My brother talked with Floyd Rayford not long ago and asked his thoughts about a World Series win. “World Series? Whoa, let’s not get ahead of ourselves. September and October is when men step up, or they don’t. “ We need one position player and one pitcher to step up and put this team on their backs.

Getting that done today will make tomorrow’s much easier

Interesting you cite Mike Marshall who earned a PhD in kinesiology and the study of body mechanics while playing .. Excellent SABR article about him (he passed in 2021 sadly) “One who understood Marshall’s methods was Dr. Frank Jobe, the pioneer of Tommy John surgery. “Kinesiology, I’m convinced, is the secret of pitching,” Jobe said. “Marshall calls it kinesiology, which is the scientific term. I call it body mechanics. In pitching, it’s balance, rhythm and alignment. If a pitcher has those three things, the stresses on the arm are at a minimum. “The arm wasn’t meant to throw a ball that hard in the first place. But since these guys do, body mechanics are crucial and Marshall has worked them out for himself—and obviously, to perfection.” Of course, Nolan Ryan had perhaps the best pitching body mechanics ever. He holds modern record of 235 pitches thrown in a 13 inning game in 1974. Three days later on normal rest he threw six scoreless and CG But what I see nowadays is more emphasis on changing arm slots, spin rates, release points to improve performance with little regard for balance and you can often see it in the places where pitchers land.. hair flying, off balance. With the idea being.. well if they need TJ surgery ok, but performance has to come first.

Take a long walk instead … less dangerous and less costly

Then he wouldn’t set the record for blown saves?

The last week would be the coup de grace..going 5-8 over our last 13 up to right now is the reason we may lose the lead.. If say TB goes 4-3 then we would still have to go 2-6 to lose the division against Cle, and at home against Wash and Bos. That would be finishing with a 7-14 stretch. Looks like that would be a collapse to me. God forbid lol!!

Exactly this!! Agree with every point! Dan Duquette seriously outperformed Mike Elias in the trade deadline of 2014 versus 2023 by a country mile in recognizing that even an elite bullpen needs strengthening if you are serious about a championship in today’s game.

Yes well let’s see if we can win a game , one game first. Because we ain’t winning no division without winning more games. And baseball history will then sadly record “the historic collapse of the Orioles in 2023” as we join many other ill fated teams over the years.

I trust none of our BP pitchers in ANY inning right now without a 5 run or more lead.

There was a reason Dan Duquette went after Andrew Miller. Even with Zach Britton being the Felix of 2014 and Darren O’Day being the Cano ..he went and got Andrew Miller which was crucial in getting through Detroit and to the ALCS. Yes, it cost Eduardo but it was key. An equivalent move would have been Josh Hader. The way starting pitching is now, you cannot go deep into playoffs without multiple shutdown bullpen pitchers. Literally we have no BP pitchers that are shutdown. Elias strategy of fixing cheap dumpster dives for BP has worked to a point but that was only so with Bautista anchoring it. Now it has failed.. the Fuji, Lopez additions have failed and the Cano, Coulombe, Webbs are now gassed and less effective without Bautista It is what it is but we are going to lose playoff games (and still may yet lose the division) just like Detroit did without getting Andrew Miller because their BP blew up on them.

And now we are losing consecutive games to a bad team ..

Having no horses in the bullpen going into playoffs

This is all on Elias

Good grief .. cannot get the key hit!!! How confident are we winning this with our pen?

Well except tonight

WTF?!!!!why are they taking him out for Fuji?

Yeah that Westburg is a ball of fire alright

This team is not playing tonight like this is a pennant race..they have played lackadaisical sloppy baseball just like it was an end of the year series with Cleveland that meant zero.

Yes

Yuck

Great job .. we have really looked like a championship team tonight.. and last night .. and the day before

Left lot of runs on the field there

All of our starting pitchers have run out of steam.