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  1. I agree with Moose et al about small sample size. We heard the “corner has been turned” several times regarding Gausman. BUT, if the Braves fix Gausman then the Orioles have to purge everyone and anyone associated with his development and coaching. And for gods sake don’t retain Buck. I’m very skeptical of Buck’s work with young starters. 

  2. 44 minutes ago, Bahama O's Fan said:

    Think he passes through waivers?

    Yes, but if a team claimed Trumbo then they would definitely get him. If the Orioles couldn't work out a deal with them in about ten minutes, then they would just stick the team with him. I'm sure DD would be dancing for joy if he's claimed. 

  3. 7 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

    It's the idea that they'd be paying Davis to sit at  home or on the bench (i.e., contributing nothing the team) for the next few years. That's a hard pill for ownership/management to swallo. It also requires that the person who supported the signing to eat crow. So that means the stodgy old man (Angelos) or the unqualified diva (Anderson) have to admit they were wrong. I just don't see that happening. Getting rid of Buck will help though. A new manager without ties to Davis who's not as stubborn and spiteful will just bench him. 

    I agree with your post, but that has nothing to do with the Orioles being financially hamstrung by the Davis contract in the future. It's a lot of money, but it's not a franchise crippling amount of money as some posters suggest in this and many other threads. That was my point. 

  4. 19 minutes ago, atomic said:

    Britton is going to free up another 14 million.   Tillman 3 million, Rasmus 3 million,  Brach 5 million.   They actually only have 69 million on the books for next year.  They could easily get rid of Schoop as well and save another 8.5 million. 

    If the Orioles could get a couple of very good infield prospects and some young relief pitchers (like Brach a few years ago), then that would be a very productive trade deadline for the Orioles. I'm talking about realistic infield prospects, not glamour names that are probably unrealistic gets. Of course a very good starting pitcher would be great, blah blah, but a return like this would be extremely helpful for the relative near future. 

  5. 3 minutes ago, atomic said:

    Britton is going to free up another 14 million.   Tillman 3 million, Rasmus 3 million,  Brach 5 million.   They actually only have 69 million on the books for next year.  They could easily get rid of Schoop as well and save another 8.5 million. 

    Yes, there is going to be enough cash and roster flexibility to attract a new GM, if they go that route. The pitching staff could be decent, even pretty good. A young outfield would improve defense. The future is not all bleak. Davis' salary is definitely not going to keep the franchise from competing. It could be used as an excuse or justification, but is not going to keep the O's from getting better. 

  6. By the way, I don't buy the argument that Davis' contract is going to kill the Orioles financially. They are paying Davis 17 million this year (the rest of the money is deferred without interest). That's a hit, but more like a stiff jab than a hard right hook. The Orioles are actually paying Adam Jones a little more money this year than they are paying Davis (same salary but 333k of prorated signing bonus). Manny and Jones' departures are going to free up 33 million. They will have money to find a SS or 3B and Jones' replacement is probably in the minors. 

  7. There's a chance that the O's are hoping Brach builds more trade value by showing he can save games, so there is a rational justification for giving him the save opportunity last night (you can disagree with it, but it is justifiable*). Unfortunately he's not lights-out this season.  Interestingly, Brach's FIP is almost a run lower than his ERA, suggesting that he's been a little unlucky (but of course small sample size, yada yada). 

     

    *I would have probably went with Castro btw. Brach makes me nervous. 

  8. 8 minutes ago, oriolediehard said:

     

    I think the contract should be based solely on incentives.  The fans deserve a competitive team not owners who get rewarded and rich with no obligation.

    This is more accurate. 

     

    In 2013 the Orioles got 6.5 WAR from Chris Davis for 3.3 million. The teams get super high value out of young talent. Teams then get a chance to avoid paying for the inevitable declines, but the Orioles decided to make Chris Davis the highest paid Oriole ever instead of negotiating a better deal or moving on. 

  9. 2 hours ago, oriolediehard said:

    You hope he gets injured like Albert Belle and Peter Angelis can collect insurance on him?  I know it is a cruel thing to say but the union forces the owner to honor the contract where CD is not obligated to do anything.

    It's not the union. It's the law. The Orioles signed a legally binding contract with Davis. The union gets involved with grievances because of the union's contract with MLB, but there's no out clause for poor performance in the contract. 

     

    The situation sucks for the Orioles, but no one put a gun to Peter Angelos' head and forced this contract on the Orioles. Teams get a lot of cheap WAR out of young talent, then they have to gamble with free agents as players age. The Orioles went all in and lost big. This is not the union's fault or the system's fault. The Orioles bid against themselves and gave Davis this contract. 

  10. 7 hours ago, Moose Milligan said:

    Again, Buck can't do anything with this roster.  Earl Weaver, Tommy Lasorda, Miller Huggins, Casey Stengel...pick any manager, ever.  None of them could do anything with this roster.

    I get it if you're mad because Buck had a hand in selecting this roster but he's not responsible for all of it.  No one will truly know how much of it he's responsible for.  People on here will act like they know, but they don't.  

    But if you're going to want to blast Buck for day to day stuff as far as lineup decisions, in game moves, he's working with a deck stacked against him.  If that's the hill you want to die on, that's all for you.  

    I've got news though.  Buck won't be back next year.  Davis has a better chance of being back here, actually.  So you're going to have a manager with a worse roster (no Manny, no Jones) and a bunch of youngsters trying to figure it out.

    And who's the whipping boy going to be then?   No Buck to manage, same crappy players.  Same terrible results.

    I bet next year's team is better, regardless of who the manager is. 

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