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6 hours ago, Frobby said:
It’s pretty big IMO. Even if I were inclined to have Harvey spend most of his time in Baltimore this year (which I’m not), I’d certainly have him pitch in the minors to start the year to ensure he’d still be under team control in 2024 (not 2025, by the way).
I agree with you and Corn to a large extent, but the Orioles seem oblivious to starting clocks.
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7 hours ago, Ohfan67 said:
I'm confused. I didn't say that at all. The Orioles were obviously very prepared to promote Bundy years before they were required. They did promote him years before they were required.
Must have been the quotes with unnecessary quotes thing. That gets confusing.
Edit: Very weird. I was quoting Frobbys post, but it’s showing my post that Frobby quoted.
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3 hours ago, Redskins Rick said:
I am not ready to concede that singing Bundy to a ML contract was a mistake.
That might have been the only way to get the guy to sign on the dotted line, and he was a highly sought commodity at the time.
I'm confused. I didn't say that at all. The Orioles were obviously very prepared to promote Bundy years before they were required. They did promote him years before they were required.
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Not trying to be a Debbie Downer, but Harvey will probably struggle in an outing real soon and the speculation will fade away. I hope he's lights out for his, the O's, and our benefit. Just think of the fun conversation we will have in a month if he's cruising through lineups!
But alas, reality is rather harsh, especially if you are an Orioles fan. 
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15 minutes ago, webbrick2010 said:
Bundy is not a good comparison. He signed a ML deal (another big FO mistake), and because of that had to be rushed to the majors
I was about to respond, but what Frobby said. Bundy did not have to be promoted to the majors at 19.
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8 hours ago, PaulFolk said:
What precedent has been set for a pitcher with zero experience beyond Low-A ball jumping immediately to the major league team? When has that ever happened in recent memory?
Schoop had made his way through every level of the system before he came to the majors, including 70 games at Triple-A. Machado had 109 games at Double-A before he was called up. Gausman spent two months at Double-A before he came up (and continued to be shuttled between the majors and minors for a while after that). Even Bundy had 11 games of experience at Double-A before he stuck in the majors for good, and he almost certainly would've started in the minors for more seasoning in 2016 if he hadn't been out of options.
Again, Hunter Harvey has never played above Low-A. Not Norfolk. Not Bowie. Not even Frederick. And he's pitched in a grand total of 13 games in the last three seasons because of injuries. To suggest he's somehow ready to crack the Orioles' Opening Day roster, and contribute in the majors from day one this season, is crazy talk.
I hear you, but the Orioles did promote a 19 year old Bundy to Baltimore for a look see after 100 professional innings. He made pit stops at multiple minor league stops, but I think the Orioles intended for Bundy to be in the majors early in the 2013 season at the ripe old age of 20. The Orioles are so conservative in many ways, but they don't seem to be afraid of doing "crazy talk" things with some young players. I think he starts the year at Bowie, but if he is the best looking pitcher in spring training then who knows. The O's are a little wacky. Unfortunately, he'll probably get shelled next start and all this speculation will evaporate.
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I think it would obviously be unprecedented for the O's to start Harvey in Baltimore this year, but the O's have clearly put need at the major league level above development in the minors multiple times. I suspect they will start Harvey at Bowie, but if he's lights out for four or five starts then he could be in Baltimore very quickly.
p.s. They also seem totally uninterested in gaming service time to the club's advantage.
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3 hours ago, Redskins Rick said:
Yet others like Tillman, Britton and many others sign his praises for helping them with their workouts and pitching success in the league.
Look to the Ravens, the number 1 guy behind Ozzie, didn't get his name into the press too much, and Ozzie got all the glory for such great picks. This guy moves on, and Ozzie is no longer the best drafter in the business.
He's one of their de facto bosses. They work out at his house, perhaps he asks them to work out there. They are asked by the media about the workouts. What do you think they are going to say? I take those and similar comments with huge grains of salt. Sports related preparation is literally a science now. Brady was/is a physical specimen, but that does not mean that he is qualified to train professional athletes. And certainly working out with Brady has not been a magic formula of success for a bunch of players. I'm not saying he's terrible, but it's amazing how much positive "buzz" Brady's workouts have on the OH and in the local media.
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1 hour ago, Tx Oriole said:
I don't know. Liver is pretty disgusting. Even if it's smothered in onion gravy on a bed of rice.
Oh man! That stuff is delicious!!
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SSS and all that but it's exciting to see Hays have some immediate success.
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Congrats on first hit.
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7 minutes ago, scbalt52 said:
Speaking of that, what are the details of when we are 'eliminated' ?
It's complicated: https://www.playoffmagic.com/mlb/
If I understand that table correctly, it looks like the Twins magic number against the O's is 14; any combination of Twins wins and O's losses would eliminate the O's. All of the teams ahead of the O's have magic numbers versus the O's.
p.s. The way everybody is playing, the second AL wild card team is going to back up into the playoffs. Unless some teams catch fire, then the O's might not be mathematically eliminated until there's five or even fewer games left in the season (technically 4.5 right now). If the Orioles aren't going to make it, then I would rather they be eliminated sooner than later. Maybe then Buck would play the rookies.
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5 minutes ago, Frobby said:
What does "jailbreak time" mean?
Running for your life.
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1 hour ago, NCRaven said:
Well he pitched twice in the Gulf Coast League, twice in the NY-Penn League (Aberdeen, A-SS), and once in the South Atlantic League (Delmarva, A). With the minor league season wrapping up over the next two weeks, he's like to pitch one or two more times, at most. I wouldn't be surprised to see him pitch again for Delmarva, but he's never pitched above that level before, even when healthy, so I wonder if they would bump him up over that now while he's still essentially rehabbing. Could they have him pitch one last game for Frederick? Maybe. Bowie? I highly doubt it.
AFL? I think it's a possibility, but they might prefer to shut him down for the off season.
I think someone has reported that the Orioles are going to shut Harvey down and give him a "regular" off season. Maybe Roch even reported a Buck quote regarding this?
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2 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:
Doesn't he have to be on the 25 man to start the year since he lost so much time this year?
Yes, he does.
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51 minutes ago, Ruzious said:
Yes, ridiculous. You said he got much less hype than Gausman. If you said, less hype, it wouldn't have been a ridiculous comment. I would have mildly disagreed with you. But you said much less - making it a ridiculous comment.
Whatever. If you read my comments to other posters I admitted I misspoke and fully explained what I meant. I did not mean to send you and others down the parse every word to death route.
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39 minutes ago, Cumberbundy said:
Harvey was rated ahead of guys like Paxton. He had a lot of hype after he dominated in his first year. Harvey got a future curve rating of 70 by prospectus.
Again, I was referring to the comment that the Orioles had ""finally" developed an ace in waiting." Not downplaying Harvey's hype. Poor choice of words by me in my initial post.
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26 minutes ago, Ruzious said:
I'm not going to look at how every organization ranked him at what particular time, but...
You are correct that Bundy got more hype, and you're wrong that Gausman got more hype than Harvey. If anything, Harvey got more hype than Gausman. To say he got much less hype than Gausman is ridiculous.
Ridiculous? Gausman was taken #4 overall. I guess that means nothing to you? Regardless, I made myself pretty clear in follow-up posts that I was not trying to denigrate Harvey or down play expectations for him. I was making the point that the Orioles have drafted other pitchers that were legitimately though of has having "ace" potential in the recent past.
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4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:
https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=harvey002hun
#20 Baseball Prospectus pre-2015.
I do agree that Bundy was the most likely to become an "ace" of the three.
p.s. And I would definitely say being taken #4 overall is a component of "hype", expectations, or perceived potential.
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Just now, Can_of_corn said:
https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=harvey002hun
#20 Baseball Prospectus pre-2015.
I do agree that Bundy was the most likely to become an "ace" of the three.
Baseball America #68.
Gausman was Baseball America #20 at one point.
Again, not ragging on Harvey, just making a point that the Orioles have had other highly ranked starting pitching prospects.
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2 minutes ago, birdwatcher55 said:
LOL..you just p***ed all over my parade but that's okay. Even if he's a good #2 I'll be excited.
Didn't mean to be a negative nelly...but it comes very naturally. I sure hope Harvey blossoms into an ace for the Orioles. I just was pointing out that the Orioles have had very promising starting pitchers in the minors even in recent years. Bundy was Baseball America's number 2 prospect at one point, for example. Doesn't get much more promising than that.
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Just now, Can_of_corn said:
Harvey was pretty hyped after his strong performance the year he was drafted. I'd definitely say Gausman level hype.
I'm not trying to dump on Harvey and I hear you, but Gausman was Baseball Americas #20 prospect at one point. Harvey has not reached that level. Maybe "hype" was the wrong word. My point was that Harvey's potential to be an "ace" is certainly no more and probably less than Bundy and Gausman had early in their minor league career. I was referencing BW55's "finally" comment.
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5 minutes ago, birdwatcher55 said:
Truly exciting to finally have an ace in waiting.
I don't mean to rain too hard on your parade, but Harvey is much less of a hyped prospect than Bundy and even Gausman were. He's also pitched less than 25 innings in the last three years. I am extremely happy that he is happy and his rehab assignments are going well, but the amount of hype based on overpowering a few short season minor leaguers seems a bit over the top.Harvey is no more of an ace in waiting than Bundy, Gausman, and even others were early in their minor league careers.
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49 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:
Now that Harvey's healthy. Let's get into the way too early speculation....
I say don't waste too many of his TJ repaired elbow in the minors. In 2018, have him start in Frederick for 5ish games, earn a quick promotion to Bowie, and let him accumulate around 100 innings there. Come 2019, be should be ready for the majors.
That sounds like a pretty good plan. I think if Harvey looks really, really, really good in spring training then they may jump him straight to Bowie. But something like your plan is more likely in my pretty ignorant opinion. The innings will be tricky. The poor guy has only pitched 135 or so pro innings and most of those were years ago. I think they will push the envelope a little with him...they will want to get some return on their investment.
But alas, reality is rather harsh, especially if you are an Orioles fan. 
Buck lays into Mountcastle during "reassignment to minor camp" and possible new position?
in Orioles Talk
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Point 3: Mountcastle has been playing organized baseball for basically his entire life. He's lived his life surrounded by coaches. It's safe to assume that many of them were not spring chickens and I'm sure he's been chewed out and heard many other players get chewed out. It ain't rocket science. If Mountcastle "may not have understood", then Moutcastle has problems that go beyond being a free swinger and not being able to field a position.
Point 4: You mean like 31 year old Buck Britton who's managing Delmarva this year? Seriously, there's no evidence that the Orioles player development people are older than those of other organizations. It would be interesting if it were true, but it would take a lot of leg work to track down all the ages. I looked at a few organizations and couldn't see any real differences. Heck, it's often the same people floating back and forth between organizations. Atlanta has the or one of the highest ranked minor league systems in baseball. Guess who's their director of player development? Dom Chiti, the Orioles bullpen coach from 2014-2016.