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31 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:
I was trying to avoid questions about Hall…but you got me and I’ll indulge.
Sure, it takes time for players to adjust to the majors without exception.
@Frobby mentioned Bedard in the thread about Hall. My opinion is that he’s not ready and can’t believe that the Orioles think he is.
Erik Bedard: before call up ERA 2.79, WHIP 1.03, HR/9 0.5, BB/9 1.9
Hall: ERA 4.52, WHIP 1.43, HR/9 1.2 , BB/ 9 5.2
**** Stats are from BBref Bedard 2003 combined minors, Hall 2022 combined.*****
Not trying to argue with you. Just wanted to jab you a bit.
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3 hours ago, Roll Tide said:
Honestly, we have guys who have limited at bats in the majors. It took Santander about 600 at bats to become the hitter and Im not 100 percent sure he’s peaked yet. Mateo on has 576, McKenna has 290, Nevin has 165, Adley 240 and Vavra 36. To make a hard decision on these until they guys get 600 ABs is unfair IMO. I know we don’t expect much from Nevin at this point but even he’s hitting we’ll despite
Does that also apply to pitchers? Kremer sure looks much improved. Akin is much improved. Maybe these guys have a plan for DL Hall too.
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3 minutes ago, btdart20 said:
Mateo is the type of guy who is somewhere near the top of the conveyer belt. How much more upside/solidifying the floor is there? Is this a good sell-high moment? I'm curious what type of market value he has quite honestly. Not because I want to take a step back at SS, but because I want to maximize player value for the org for long-term. Again, I fully expect him to be back at SS and he's earned the job. However, running a business has to be an eternal/on-going concern based on non-emotional inputs.
Agreed. I think the question is whether his trade value is higher this offseason or next trading deadline? I'd bet on Mateo raising his value next season.
And just to clarify, all I posted was from Meoli. I just messed up a paragraph copy when I posted.
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Jon Meoli has a good article out.
https://jonmeoli.substack.com/p/orioles-jorge-mateo-breakdown?utm_source=/inbox&utm_medium=reader2
Let’s start with the raw numbers. Mateo entered Tuesday’s game in Toronto with a .687 OPS and 27 steals, and thanks to his superlative shortstop defense, is tied for second on the team with 2.3 wins above replacement (WAR), according to FanGraphs. To put that into context, Cedric Mullins also has a 2.3 fWAR for a season in which he’s come back down to earth after his All-Star 2021, similarly buoyed by defensive contributions without being a top-end offensive contributor.
Mateo, however, has been much more productive offensively of late. As The Sun’s Andy Kostka noted this weekend, Mateo started attacking his weakness – breaking balls away – around the beginning of July through intensive practice work on that specific thing.
He’s been a different player since. From July 1 through Monday’s games, he is 21st in all of baseball with a .383 wOBA. There’s a bit of outperformance there – his expected wOBA is .312 – but it’s easy to account for considering he’s the type of player who can stretch an extra base on basically any batted ball, turning singles into doubles, and doubles into triples.
He’s also struck out 20.9% percent of the time in that span, which is down from 32.3% at the end of June. It stands to reason that putting the ball in play more for someone with Mateo’s speed is a good thing, and credit to all involved for making that happen.
Depending on how you slice it, you can also say there’s been improvement in his contact profile because of the changes. He hits the ball on the ground and in the air at about the same frequency before and after July 1, but since then his average exit velocity is up to 87.5 MPH from 85.1 mph through June 30, and his average
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Just now, Roll Tide said:
Again …. he’s not proving he is right now. I know he has good stuff but he has to improve or MLB pitchers will destroy him again and again.
Well, in his first start he didn't get destroyed. How many hard hit balls did he give up? He's a high energy guy. It was his first major league start. He was amped to the gills. That's likely the worst he will be for a long time. And I think you mean MLB hitters but whatever. How many K's?
He was throwing a fastball down the middle that was running all the way off the plate inside. The number of people who can do that is remarkably small. This guy is a special talent.
Is he ready? Nope. But that doesn't matter to me. What matters is what this coaching staff believes is the very best way to develop him as a MLB starting pitcher. If they believe that next year he needs to be in the starting rotation and take his lumps, I'm good with it.
I'm typically a big believer in leaving a guy in the minor leagues until he demands a promotion. But DL Hall ain't just any guy. If you believe you can develop him better, bring the dude up and start him. And live with whatever that development costs.
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2 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:
What’s wrong with making him beat up on players of inferior talent? Triple A has other good prospects but also AAAA players. I contend that if he can’t excel there why would we expect him to be better here or think he earned the call up which should be the reason to bring him up.
I'm not a huge fan of guys who rate minor league players but as a whole, they tend to generally get things right. This guy is lauded by all as a special talent.
I think you treat him differently if you believe you can get a better result.
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1 minute ago, Roll Tide said:
I think the team with some free agent pitching signings can compete. I don’t think Hall is ready to be a consistent contributor yet and will hurt the cause.
Is it possible the coaching staff and development people view it differently than you? And if so, should they change their opinion?
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1 minute ago, maybenxtyr said:
Look, I know you have issues with back and forth with people so I'm not going to make it personal like you do.
Everyone can agree that Hall has a ton of talent. The odds are though that he could end up being a relief pitcher, whereas Rodriguez as a SP is a given.
Tanner Scott was another guy that was loaded with talent but as of yet he's never really been able to be consistent. Hall reminds me somewhat of Scott.
I think the point though is how do you best develop DL Hall to become the best he can be. Is that as a reliever? Or is it as a starter? Or more time in AAA. Or bouncing back and forth? And I don't think anyone can know the answer to that. Not even the smartest of pitching coaches until he has opportunities.
I'm fine with giving him ML starting opportunities if he's showing progress and the coaching staff believes it's the best path forward.
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Just now, Roll Tide said:
What ….I just posted their starters innings from the last series 5.2, 6, and 8+
Do you recall anything about the concept of an opener? Or pulling Snell when he was rolling? Or the number of times outside of this most recent series where they've asked a starter to pitch 3 innings or less? Do you believe the Rays require their starters to dominate for 6 IP before they're promoted?
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12 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:
If the last 4 or 5 starts is an accurate indication I don’t see how we’d expect him to go 5. As a baseball executive I’d want him to earn his promotion. My philosophy would be, show me in the minors. Bedard was pretty dominant in the minors as I recall.
Have you noticed what the Rays are doing with their starting pitching?
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12 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:
Nope …. I think we should make guys earn promotions by dominating in the minors. Why let him build up innings in the majors. He should be able to pitch 6 regularly before he gets here. He’s pitched 80 so far.let’s say he does 20 more.then what only 125 next year?
Should the O's treat every prospect the same or should we recognize that this guy is uniquely talented?
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4 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:
No …don’t care about autographs. Never saw him pitch before that start. But, I can read a stat line and see where a guy is and isn’t doing well. Strike outs are great but walks, hits, and runs are a problem at the rate he’s allowed them in the minors. I’d make him dominate in the minors.
Would it matter to you if the coaching staff believed he would progress more/learn more/improve more... pitching with the big club?
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Is there any thought that minority shares were being diluted such that the original % stake is lessened now?
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I'd like to know what the player cost would be to acquire Brandon Woodruff, Shane Bieber, Merrill Kelly, Jose Urquidy or Zac Gallen.
If we do in fact add 2 SP's, would you spend the money or trade the assets? I've thought all along that one would come via FA and one via trade but given how low payroll is, why spend any player assets?
Tyler Anderson, Corey Kluber, Chris Bassitt, Taijuan Walker, Cole Irvin, Jose Quintana, Jake Odorizzi and Jamison Taillon should be reasonably priced FA's.
I'd love to go big and sign Verlander and trade for Woodruff, Bieber or Gallen.
And count on Wells, Grayson, Means (later), Voth, Kremer and Bradish to fill 3 spots and hope DL takes one within a few months.
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3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:
That sounds like a great idea to me
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I don't think music posts count.
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3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:
But guys here said it wasn't impressive. Who am I supposed to believe?
I think the rule is the guy with the most posts is right.
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1 hour ago, Roll Tide said:
****I Think ******
Not that I’m a good comp….but, I was a pretty good outfielder with tons of range when I played ball in high school. When I played softball it was the same situation until I tore my ACL and meniscus. My wheels disappeared overnight and could no longer play the OF in a competitive situation. We tried 1B and while I could handle the throws and cover the bag adequately I couldnt really handle the hard hit grounders. Luckily for me I was able to pitch.
Anyway, I’m not sure Anthony can play a solid 1B and hopefully the Orioles brain trust values defense. Also I agree that 9 games might not be enough for us to gauge but it seems it was for his manager at the time it was tried.
***** Disclosure: Note to @Sports GuyI don’t have a link*****
What was your ERA as a softball pitcher?
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3 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:
I don't think the strike zone is different in AAA than the majors. The batters and what they swing at, somewhat. But it was clear he was a little amped up for his first start and not hitting spots. I think Elias' plan is for him to work from the pen, that's not going to change because he wasn't spot on everything in his first few innings in the majors.
I agree with all of that. Seems it's going to be important for him to figure out how to enter a game under control rather than find it in the second or third inning.
But I certainly understand the guy being amped up for his first start. No criticism there in the least. Happens to almost everyone.
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5 minutes ago, emmett16 said:
Surprised they started him. He’s had some questionable outings all year long and only showed flashes of brilliance here and there. Seems starting him off in pen with 2 outs might have been a better debut. Stupid black out and stupider recording effort, so can’t see the game but I gotta tell you that was pretty predictable. I guessed at 1 run praying and hoping it’d be the Hall that narrowly escapes a catastrophe, but gets out, kinda day. The kid is gonna be a absolute beast, but it’s gonna take some time.
He's been a starter. A starter has a different warmup routine than a reliever. To me, it's not an insignificant difference. Optioning him gives him a chance to find his routine as a reliever and then they say they're bringing him back.
He had a lot of run on his fastball early. I'm guessing he's used to getting a lot of strike calls on that kind of pitch he won't get the call on in MLB. Maybe he needed to see that because I'm sure he's been told.
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1 minute ago, PHRESH said:
Yeah. It feels like they were hoping he'd come up and dominate, but now they're going with plan b
Or they felt like it was important for Hall to see for himself what he needed to improve on to be successful at the MLB level.
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1 minute ago, Roll Tide said:
Not in a pennant race! I’m not blaming him! I blame Elias for a bad move.
Do you believe Elias' focus is this year or development for the next 10 years? He's made public statements that could offer a clue.
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Just now, Can_of_corn said:
Yep, no pitcher ever developed in the majors.
Nary a one.
There's never been a good pitcher who wasn't good from game 1. See Randy Johnson.
Ryan McKenna as a 4th Outfielder
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