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14 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:
The McKenna hate from this fan base really boggles my mind and this is from someone who always felt his prospect status was overrated.
I would much rather have him on the team vs Nevin or Kemp.
I hope McKenna finds playing time on another team. He's an MLB level player. A good backup outfielder to have. He's been an asset for the Orioles, but outfield will be just way too crowded going forward. For his sake, I hope he can find a role on another team.
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3 minutes ago, Orioles0615 said:
I voted for 90 - 93 but my real guess is 88-91
I'm in the same boat. My over/under is 90. I took the under.
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1 hour ago, TommyPickles said:
I think Cole Irvin could be a #5 starter on a World Series team.
Irvin once started 12 games on a team that won 101 of them in a season.
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2 hours ago, ChosenOne21 said:
How is the 25th best pitcher a low #2, high #3?
Is this not exactly what he is on the Orioles? And was making this happen not a priority for the Orioles this past offseason?
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1 hour ago, oriolediehard said:
What I don't understand with all our up and coming prospects, why does Mateo and Urias need to be on this team?
I think we’ll find that Urias doesn’t need to be on the team as the season goes on. I’m a Urias fan, and he’s certainly an MLB level player, but it’s just inevitable.
I’m not a Mateo fan but the situational upside that he offers is still extremely high. Perhaps that’s irrelevant once Bradfield is ready. But Mateo can offer electricity defensively and on the basepaths. Doesn’t mean that he’s consistent. But for the last position player on the roster? He’s worth a spot, especially if he can backup CF as well. The O’s value versatility like that.
Perhaps he continues his struggles defensively and he’s no longer an asset. But it’s worth giving him another look.
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I don't think Bradish being ranked the 24th best pitcher is being shat on. Actually it's 25th, they numbered the article incorrectly at the time and has since been edited.
The way the rankings are broken down, it's clear that when they say number two or number three, that it's meant for playoff caliber teams.
Do people really consider Bradish to be a #1? If he is, why was getting a #1 pitcher a priority? And that doesn't take into account that the O's also have Rodriguez.
QuoteI doubt there were ten starting pitchers who had a better year than him last year by any reasonable metric.
Is WAR not a reasonable metric?
QuoteWhat a joke. It's these guys' jobs to be more informed than this.
They literally based this article on the thoughts of executives, scouts and analysts.
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4 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:
I doubt anyone is giving up anything of value for either of these guys. the other thing is that the Orioles may already know what their 26-man roster is going to be and are keeping guys fresh for the season.
And just giving some vets an opportunity to play a bit out of respect.
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Big year for Mullins. Excited to see if he can stay healthy. If he can, I too am expecting a bit of a bounce back year.
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I think O'Hearn is definitely on the team. I also think Holliday is on the team. There will be many opportunities to bring up Mayo throughout the year. He's not blocked like the corner outfielders or middle infielders. Something will open up between an injury to Mountcastle or O'Hearn, O'Hearn not performing at a high level or a trade.
I'm more interested in the OF situation. I feel like Cowser is in a similar situation as Mayo where there will be an opening at some point during the season when inevitably Mullins gets hurt or Mateo can't cut it as a backup CF (though perhaps he can). I'd like to see Stowers get the opportunity. At some point you gotta do something with him. If he doesn't get off to a hot start, then bring up Kjerstad.
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12 hours ago, Billy F-Face3 said:
I'm starting to become a believer that Holliday might actually make the 26 man roster. And I had always doubted it for the obvious benefits of giving him more time in AAA to see LHP and save his service time while we had Henderson, Mateo, Westburg, and Urias.
Are there any real signs that he won't be making the roster outside of conventional wisdom? It seems like most of the signs (albeit mostly limited and speculation) point to him starting the year on the O's.
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For the past five seasons, we have been canvassing executives, scouts and analysts to identify the best starting pitchers in baseball, the aces.
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The grading system is also straightforward. A No. 1 grade nets five points, a No. 2 grade nets four, No. 3 nets three, No. 4 nets two and No. 5 nets one. An asterisk adds a half point to the score. We culled the list down to a top 50, split into five tiers:
Tier 1 (100) — The Inner Circle: The unanimous No. 1s.
Tier 2 (99.5 to 90) — Aces: The pitchers you can trust all regular season and again in October.
Tier 3 (89.5 to 80) — The Pool of Applicants: The men who might one day call themselves aces.
Tier 4 (79.5 to 60) — No. 2s and No. 3s: Those with lower ceilings, but still elevated floors. It should be noted — these guys are awesome at baseball.
Tier 5 (59.5 and below) — No. 4s and No. 5s: Everyone else. Or, in the parlance of the scouting world, “just a guy.”
Quote3. Corbin Burnes, RHP, Baltimore Orioles
Rating: 94
Ace votes: 15
In the eyes of our pool, Burnes has become less overpowering than he was during his breakout season in 2021. “Stuff has declined just a tick in each of the last two years,” one executive said. “He’s still great.” The second part of the sentiment appears to be a consensus. “It’s a special combination of durability and stuff,” one scout said. “I say ‘special’ because usually you have one and half the other. He’s proven he has both.” Hence why Baltimore parted with a pair of strong prospects and a draft pick to acquire Burnes for his final season before free agency.
The marriage between Burnes and the Orioles is unlikely to last beyond 2024. He figures to land a sizable contract on the open market, despite the concerns about his declining stuff. This season will offer a test of his mettle, one scout said. “He fell off just a bit,” the evaluator said. “What does he do in a tougher division?”
Quote22 (tie). Grayson Rodriguez, RHP, Baltimore Orioles
Rating: 71
Ace votes: 1
Applicant votes: 6
Rodriguez demonstrated enough during his debut last season to hearten the evaluators who boosted him during his minor-league career. Several pegged him as a future No. 1. His development will be crucial for Baltimore this season, especially with Bradish on the shelf at the outset. One scout suggested Rodriguez would benefit from junking his slider, which is less impressive than his changeup and curveball.
Quote24. Kyle Bradish, RHP, Baltimore Orioles
Rating: 69
Applicant votes: 2
Bradish took a significant step forward in 2023, cutting down his walks and upping his strikeout rate while establishing himself atop the Orioles rotation. Bradish “might be the most underrated guy in baseball right now,” one scout said. Which made his injury this spring all the more dispiriting. He has resumed his throwing program and looks like he can avoid surgery. But UCL injuries are always worrisome.
https://theathletic.com/5352336/2024/03/20/2024-mlb-aces-project-starting-pitchers/
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1 hour ago, sportsfan8703 said:
What worries me is that Elias has already known about this. So the Burnes trade was the reactionary move.
If Elias made a reactionary move, why wouldn’t his reaction be to NOT pull the trigger on Burnes?
Adding one year of Burnes is adding gasoline to a fire. It’s a move to win-now. Bradish being hurt wouldn’t switch the GM to all-in mode.
The reactionary move to Bradish right now would be to get an innings eater and insurance for Bradish in case he’s out for the year.
Or you don’t make a reactionary move and continue on with business as usual, which is win-now.
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2 hours ago, Frobby said:
So does a 4.23 local rating mean that 4.23% of local viewers are watching the Orioles? Or does the number signify something else?
Looka like ratings used to be higher.
One ratings point is equal to 1% of households with televisions. Baltimore has 1,119,480 TV households. So 4.23 rating should be equivalent to 47,354 household viewership.
TV ratings have been continually decreasing for years and years across the board. 47,354 might not seem that high, but there's 162 games in a season and I'm not sure how many games per year the typical fan watches. It also doesn't include out of market viewership as well as streaming.-
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On 10/14/2023 at 10:41 AM, dystopia said:
Adley's the face of the franchise now so I feel like he's going to get analyzed to death.
Not only that, but with Gunnar's somewhat unexpected and meteoric rise and Jackson Holliday knocking on the door, along with Adley's own success, Adley's expectations have increased.
Dude's floor for expectation has been set at 5.0 WAR.
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10 hours ago, Frobby said:
Yeah, I’d judge a pitcher based on one playoff performance. And in addition to ignoring his regular season and career, I’d certainly ignore that he’d allowed only 2 runs in 15 innings in his prior playoff appearances.
Coby Mayo for Andrew Heaney. 1 ER in 3.2 IP this postseason.
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13 minutes ago, Frobby said:
I think most of the 2-4 year deals weren’t a disaster, though some were pretty meh.
2-3 years seems to be the sweet spot. I'm hoping the O's shop in that category this offseason. I don't expect Angelos to open up the checkbook that much, but I would have to hope that those 2-3 year deals are a possibility.
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Had no idea this guy works in Baltimore now.
I feel sorry for Baltimore that this guy works in Baltimore now.
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19 minutes ago, casadeozo said:
Right thats the premise of the thread, is the Mancini return realistic?
Mancini was a pending FA while having a comparable statistical year to Hays.
I would think with the extra years of service time we could do better.
Teams overpay at the deadline, and I think the O's did well with the return they got for Mancini.
I don't know how many teams would be "buying" Hays. It would be more the O's shopping him. Would rebuilding teams give up assets for him and would a contender view Hays' production as a need? I really don't know what the return would be. I'm kind of pessimistic on it but I also think he's the guy the O's should move.
I think Mountcastle would bring back a larger return than Hays with his extra year of service and higher ceiling with the bat.
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3 minutes ago, baltfan said:
I would hope for a few prospects in the 10-20 range, maybe a low minors lottery ticket.
Over/under… Hays or Mountcastle bring back a return similar to what Mancini did
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1 minute ago, RZNJ said:
I agree with a lot of what you’ve said and disagreed with a lot of what DirtyBird has said but I think it’s slim or none for the chances of Mullins having more value after 2024 than now. That year of service time is a big factor.
That’s fine, I don’t really disagree there. To me, any loss in value isn’t significant enough to trade him. I do expect Mullins’ performance to bounce back, however.
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Just now, DirtyBird said:
No. Duration of team control adds the most value. Everyone knows who he is, and what his range of performance outcomes could be.
I’m not sure you do
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Just now, DirtyBird said:
This makes no sense
Mullins has trade value going into the 2024 season. He will have trade value going into the 2025 season. And there's a good chance for a bounce back year or even a random great year like in 2021 that would increase his trade value.
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2 minutes ago, DirtyBird said:
Yeah, he was terrible. Don’t care. Get him a sports psychologist and he will be fine.
Mullins should have some trade value.
Mullins will have trade value, but he'll also have the same trade value after next season if not even more trade value. O's can't afford to move on from him yet.
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23 minutes ago, Billy F-Face3 said:
I honestly believe that Santander is more valuable to us all the way up through his free agency than he is anything we would get in a trade for him. His bat is just too important for the offense. And that power bat something that we have been severely lacking in the lineup so taking him out of it significantly weakens the offense.
Hays is a streaky player in his own right. He plays like a hall if famer in the 1st half of the season then disappears for long stretches the 2nd half. However, he plays every day and his glove is top of the league playing left field. He helps to boost the defense.
Trading away players to rely on unproven prospects is a risky business because you just don't know if you can count on the young talent, but you do know what you're getting from the vets already on the team.
We still have the (good) problem of too many players, and not enough spots to play them. That problem is what is forcing the issue.
The thing with Hays for me is that I think he'd be a great fourth outfielder. But is that a role that he's willing to accept and is that a way the O's would utilize him? This might not be the move that's best for business but out of respect to Hays, I'd rather trade him somewhere he can have a better opportunity. I don't think his approach at the plate is good enough to be a starter on this team, but he clearly has value defensively and off the bench.
His overall production would be the easiest to replace. Santander? I don't think the O's can lose his power yet when they don't have any proven replacements. And Mountcastle/O'Hearn I'm good with holding for now until there's a better option at 1B. Mullins I'm not trading in 2024.
Hays and Urias/Mateo are the ones who are on the hot seat, in my opinion.
Where the hell is Coby Mayo! This is outrageous!
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I really don't know what they do unless there is an injury. O'Hearn, Westburg, Urias, Mateo and Hays all will be feeling the heat to some degree. But there will always be injuries. I think they'll wait until something comes up.