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Braves and Red Sox are the only teams that have given up less runs than we have.
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11 hours ago, Malike said:
Defense looked better than his bat tonight, so there is that.
That’s what happens when you barely play.
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Im old enough to remember people panicked about him because he didn’t show much power last year.
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Might be my favorite lineup of the year.
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1 hour ago, wildcard said:
I thought there were 2 reasons:
1. Holliday agreed to under slot money. Slot was 9.7M and he signed for 8.2M. At the time I had the impression that Jones wanted full slot.
2. While both players were/are amazing talents Elias was more impressed by Jackson's work ethic.
JMO.
No player was turning down under slot money anyway. Zero chance.
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39 minutes ago, baltfan said:
That was always the rumor. When he came up he got the big number unlike Westburg who got a normal number.
None of that means anything.
And there was no real rumor that Ortiz was going to be dealt. Just a lot of conjecture.
Either way, you don’t KNOW it’s going to happen. Even if that’s the guy they want to trade, it doesn’t mean someone else wants him.
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So you mean they don’t freak out about small sample sizes?
There is a lesson to be learned there WC
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24 minutes ago, baltfan said:
Pretty clear they knew they were going to trade Ortiz
You never know that.
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10 minutes ago, baltfan said:
I think what would be different. Here is that it seems the Orioles are rethinking whether mayo can actually play third in the majors. If prior to this, they didn’t consider him to be a viable option at third in the majors then there would be no reason to Experiment with Westberg at first, for example
I don’t buy that and even with that, last year they had Gunnar, Ortiz, Westburg and Holliday. Still needed to find room.
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16 hours ago, Frobby said:
WTF is the “formulated consensus?” Sounds like nonsense.
Last years I posted about the PARS list. StS is another prospect ranking system that they use lots of different advanced stats.
These 2 just joined together and did the Avengers thing and came up with a combined list using their criteria.
Its probably a lot more valid than subjective rankings done because of draft status and “what you think”.
That said, it’s also based off of a SSS of stats, so there is only so much to take from it.
I do know both of these systems liked Povich last year too.
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2 minutes ago, btdart20 said:
Pitching well/career norms is one thing. Pitching like this is another thing to wrestle with.
When you have multiple seasons where you pitch around 180 innings and pitch to a 4ish ERA, I’m guessing you have stretches where you look pretty dominant. Zero surprising about anything he’s doing. It would be surprising if he did it for a full season but not a 4-7 start stretch.
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32 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:
Is Jones already washed out or something?
Where you go matters. I don’t have any reason to think Arizona’s development system isn’t good. They have clearly developed good players.
But who is to say Jones wouldn’t be doing better with us?
I think Elias made the right choice and felt it at the time. Holliday was the only other player I felt should be taken at 1 unless they felt they could unlock whatever plagued Elijah Green. His talent was 1st pick worthy but so many question marks. Still, had the Os taken green, I would have trusted that they saw something easy to fix.
But after hearing Elias explain why they took Holliday, it made perfect sense.
Still, I don’t think Jones failing means it’s a slam dunk Holliday will be better. Jones is still young and he started off his career with some injury issues, so that put him behind. And maybe if he’s drafted here, we do a better job at developing him. Who knows?
Doesnt matter, we have the guy that is likely the better player and that’s all that matters.
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I don’t get why people are surprised that Irvin is pitching well. It’s almost as if people just looked at a rough start last year and concluded that the SSS of those starts mattered more than an entire career.
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10 hours ago, CaptainRedbeard said:
Westburg had 6 starts in the OF in 67 games in AAA in 2023 right before he was called up when there was a big logjam of IF at both the MLB and AAA levels. His OF flexibility was also definitely talked about by Orioles coaches that season. I don’t disagree with your point generally, but it was a bit more of a concerted effort of “does he have flexibility, maybe he can play in the OF too so we can figure out how to make this work now that his bat is MLB ready” than you are giving it credit for.
The Orioles are already splitting Westburg’s attention between 2B and 3B and I think there’s almost a 0% chance they add more than that this season. He’s good at both positions but prior to the season said he’s really only comfortable at 2B. He’s very valuable at both positions. They might have even thought he didn’t take well to the OF in AAA, we don’t know. I think it’s possible that they revisit the OF flexibility once he feels comfortable at 3B if it makes sense with Mayo, but it won’t be midseason 2024 and is still pretty unlikely overall.
If somebody is going to the OF, seems more likely that they try Mayo in RF at some point given Mayo’s arm and Westburg being superior to Mayo at 3B (even with Mayo’s improvements there). But I think they still want Mayo working on 3B now and they’ll make more of a decision on the OF this offseason after seeing how he progresses at 3B this year.
Thank you for that correction.
Still, that’s nothing and there is nothing to indicate they will be moving Westburg out there. He’s a very big good defensive IFer and I don’t see the logic that they take a known good defensive player and put him in a completely different position just to appease someone that is already playing other positions, some of which are likely more natural for him.
It just doesn’t make sense. It lacks logic.
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Because Holliday projected as a SS. That was one of the reasons Elias stated at the time of the pick.
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2 minutes ago, emmett16 said:
Mateo’s speed never ceases to amaze.
I couldn’t believe they even threw the ball home. Zero chance at getting him unless he fell or something.
Why risk Gunnar to third?
I want to see De La Cruz and Mateo race.
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Despite all the IFers the Os have had, they never played Westburg at first and barely played him in the OF. I believe he had one start in the OF in AA and maybe did fly balls in practice.
Yet people think they may move him to those positions. I don’t quite get that thought process but I guess you never know if the Os all of a sudden go away from something they have been doing for several years.
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Updated MLB Pipeline rankings
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4 Os in top 25
https://www.mlb.com/prospects/top100/