jerios55

One thing I haven't seen, are competitive balance picks also protected?

In his 4 losses the team got him 6 total runs and he has 6 of 21 team wins (28.5%). He hasn't been superman, but he had made this team much more watchable on his days.

Well, Trumbo will be gone either way. Cashner likely, without option picked up (or traded sooner). Many guys are Rule 5/Waiver pickups, so adding several may cuts shouldn't be too tough.

Those 2 alone (371,200-25,000) 346,200 are almost that total and a few posts earlier we were 100k plus under. So it appears if 10th rounder #s added in first post it's closer to 500k.

Well, we could tie for worst and win the tie breaker being worse last year. Dream big right....right?

9th pick signed too. Details in his thread.

Beat the shift too (even if it was accidental)

Yup, beat me to it. Not sure it's the smartest move though. If he didn't want to be there last year, why would he this year. I know I wouldn't want my team to acquire a guy that didn't want to be part of the team.

I think the key here is that many say Meh as if Mancini would be signed as the #1 of 25 or even the #5 of 25. If a deal could be had at ~6-7 million and add a few FA years, it would likely cover his prime years. If they trade Mancini for a few flyers, that would upset me. If they trade for a guy that becomes a #2 in the rotation, that would be fine. However, if traded I don't think we'll know that for years, because to get the higher upside with him would be younger and riskier moves I'd imagine. I guess with all the talk of him being bad defensively and not bringing much back, would he really pull us out of the bad times faster? If the potential trade return is low and they can sign a contract that is advantageous to the team, I don't see why it would be a bad move. He isn't big body like Davis/Jordan Howard that tend to (will) break down, his game isn't built of speed now, he provides solid offense, his age is appropriate for a 5ish year deal and he doesn't have a big injury history. All that being said, I won't be crushed if they trade him, as long as the return looks like a win.

I thought the same thing. Looks like he was warming up. After the grand slam we might be in mop up which seems to fit his current role. edit: he is on the mound. 3 up, 3 down inning. edit 2: lead off double, gets out of it clean otherwise Edit 3: k to start 9th. Got a 2.1ip outing that he and we needed. Even if it is the bus and their generally weak lineup.

Yeah, I've wondered about this as well. Does it increase his willingness/desire to trade Bundy/Villar/Mancini? I think Cashner will be considered either way. Part of why I think Straily is not a DFA contender.

Yeah, the starters have been going a bit longer, so the long man/mop up guy hasn't been needed. Hopefully, he's working on things to improve, but if he hasn't then it's good he isn't needed. edit: I will add, if Bundy, Cashner get traded then someone needs to pitch. I realize he hasn't been good, but good starters aren't just hanging around waiting to be signed. If nothing else he can do it, it's just a matter of being more like his past self.

With Villar as one of our best trade chips and basically no other middle infielders early, Elias played the throw it all against the wall and see what sticks approach. Hanser, DJackson, Martin, and 2 guys that were cut (1 that everyone hated and who I've already forgotten...Alcides Escobar looked it up). Martin hasn't been great, but at least we know. If we were watching Escobar suck over Martin maybe doing well, I'm pretty sure we'd all be bitching about not keeping Martin. I think it's tough to gauge who even wanted to be here. Yes it'd be nice to have gone after a bit more, but guys like Gio Gonzalez signed minor league deals over coming here. Who could Elias have signed that actually wanted to play for this team?

So basically everyone except Broxton/Martin that came in yesterday as defensive replacements. Yeah, it kind of looked like a baseball team yesterday. I think this team likes playing the Blue Jays.

Agreed. Karns was also a known risk, which is why he was cheap. Straily wasn't a savior but we all expected more. As per analytics saving the O's, it's not magic. Some guys will take to it and others will not. Some guys can coach with it as a focus some can't. The Astros took years, made lots of mistakes and did it before other teams were as involved with Analytics and in a division with less spending power house type teams. Patience is needed. Hopefully it works, but that's not a guarantee either. But from an outsider's view they do have a plan. This was never a 6 month issue.

Next up will be international signing day and then trade deadline. I would imagine a lot of focus is there. Not much can be done about Trumbo,Cobb as they deal with injuries. While not exciting they have continued to keep an eye out for other ML options (Armstrong was solid over Wright, Broxton has added competition over Mullins). Clearly Davis would be a big move, but that is a ton to eat and we don't know how management feels. In a losing season, did they ask for a year to be sure he's done? I think July will be busy and then maybe some excitement with September call ups, but I don't see much else before the offseason. Maybe a scouting director, but probably that is offseason as well.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2701518-stephen-piscotty-cardinals-reportedly-agree-on-contract-extension Piscotty - 6, 33.5mill - 2mill SB, salaries of 1, 1, 7, 7, 7.25, 7.25, 15mill option with 1 mill buyout. Trumbo - 3, 37.5mill, 11.5, 12.5, 13.5mill at ages 34, 35, 36 (with apparently a deferred 3yr/4.5 mill) I get people get frustrated about Mancini for various reasons. However, 28-33 yo seasons and the last year being 7ish million, are still a far cry from Trumbo, especially considering age, inflation of contracts and similar square peg/round hole fit for defense. IDK what it would take, but if trade returns wouldn't be big, I don't think it's an issue. It's not a face of the franchise deal (although maybe it is for a rebuilding club...) but those dollars aren't Davis/Trumbo/Ubaldo type and I'd say there is a solid change he'd be worth the $$ in that case. I could go either way, but the Piscotty comparison mentioned seems reasonable if it's a player they intend to keep.

This was originally from the Silver linings thread, while I agree the bullpen has been tough, they do have a set of starters that could make it interesting. With 162 games, I think we can do it at least once. Although, that still counts as extremely unlikely. Haha Means game 61: 6 innings, 1 run against the Rangers. David Hess: In the final game of the Rangers series, Hess actually pitched pretty decently. He goes 6 innings (good!), giving up 3 earned runs (not bad), and only gave up one dinger (alright!). Gabriel Ynoa: On to Houston, where Ynoa starts the series by spinning the very minimum definition of a quality start - 6 IP, 3 ER. Andrew Cashner: Cash gets back on track, going 6 innings and giving up just the 1 run. No home runs and only 1 walk. Excellent outing. Dylan Bundy: Good Bundy alert! 6 IP, 2 ER, 6 Ks. That's 5 quality starts in a row (does the Hess one not count, due to the unearned run?) I would imagine that it's been a long time to see 30 IP, 11R, 10ER in 5 starts. Considering it came against the strong Astros and better than average Rangers I'm pretty happy. Clearly the record is tough due to the 1 run loses, but I'm sure most would take that over blowouts. Cautiously optimistic (but still want a high draft pick for next year... ;))

So I was trying to look and see if Mancini was ever on a top 100 list and didn't see anything. I know that top 100s fail and other guys succeed and he could well just be one of them. It seems he was always a guy that would hit, but need to find his defensive home. While clearly I can't guarantee it, and that changes things, but what if the O's traded Mancini and got back a 3 year younger Mancini and a guy the would be a strong 7th-8th inning setup reliever? 3 more years of Mancini offense at low prices and a strong reliever. Neither type would be a top 100, but without us contending the next 2 years, would that be a trade people would see as a net positive? Clearly we wouldn't know the outcome now, but I think it would still work out in our current situation.

https://www.foxsports.com/mlb/baltimore-orioles-team-stats?season=2019&category=PITCHING&group=1&time=0&pos=0&splitType=0&page=1 For the year: Cashner 6, Means/Bundy 4, Hess 2, Ynoa 1. Since Ynoa just had his, there is no way they had 5 in a row before. We'd have to look at the other Hess QS to see if they had a 4 in a row streak. https://www.foxsports.com/mlb/baltimore-orioles-team-stats?season=2018&category=PITCHING&group=1&sort=2&time=0&pos=0&qual=0&sortOrder=0&splitType=0&statID=0 2018 they had a decent number, so maybe. I'm not sure how to check without going through all the game records (not happening, sorry). Looking at this, one thing surprised me. Tillman had a QS last year. I definitely would have put money against that.

I took too long writing and you beat me ? I would wonder if it happened this year or last year.

Means game 61: 6 innings, 1 run against the Rangers. David Hess: In the final game of the Rangers series, Hess actually pitched pretty decently. He goes 6 innings (good!), giving up 3 earned runs (not bad), and only gave up one dinger (alright!). Gabriel Ynoa: On to Houston, where Ynoa starts the series by spinning the very minimum definition of a quality start - 6 IP, 3 ER. Andrew Cashner: Cash gets back on track, going 6 innings and giving up just the 1 run. No home runs and only 1 walk. Excellent outing. Dylan Bundy: Good Bundy alert! 6 IP, 2 ER, 6 Ks. That's 5 quality starts in a row (does the Hess one not count, due to the unearned run?) I would imagine that it's been a long time to see 30 IP, 11R, 10ER in 5 starts. Considering it came against the strong Astros and better than average Rangers I'm pretty happy. Clearly the record is tough due to the 1 run loses, but I'm sure most would take that over blowouts. Cautiously optimistic (but still want a high draft pick for next year... ;))

We lost, KC won. So 1 game "up".

I don't see it now, but Elias basically said they'd get on that task as soon as the draft was over. At least a few should start coming in the next few days I'd imagine. The 4yr seniors at least.

If teams got 2 All-Stars, and 2 solid contributors a year from the 40 player draft each and every year combined with 6 years of service time you'd theoretically have a roster (24 at least) always from the draft. Clearly FA happens and you don't always get #1 overall... and there's lots of misses. It seems like 2 is a good target. Also makes me wonder about the 3 guy draft the Mets did and if it does make more sense considering the number of misses throughout the 40. Guess in a few years we'll see how it worked for them. 2 high ceiling guys and a lot of potential solid contributors is nice. As players/minors improve hopefully if helps the overall competition and balance as well. Clearly that's every teams goal, but hopefully Elias can do that both here and internationally.