Moose Milligan

I like knowing that Whitaker and Trammell are only separated in career hits by 4. They’ll always be linked together.

Whoops you’re right. Totally forgot the Twins took them out in the first round.

I thought they finished third this year and didn’t make it.

Sure, I guess. But in a day and age where making the playoffs is being made easier all the time I feel like they should have made it this year with the talent they had. Their manager is terrible.

Oh God.

Someone could argue that the Jays are more incompetent based on the number of good players they have and their inability to make the playoffs.

Yep, agree to disagree.

Well done! Definitely wouldn't have picked Jones over Cruz for 2k hits, I also saw that Lynn never got to 2k, too.

I think the rest of the AL East is panicking about how good we are and loaded for the future, that's why you see the Sox trying to get Yamamoto, the Yankees giving up more prospects for Soto, etc.

9/9 46. Actually, I don't think you could get all Orioles today with the 2000 hit column. I might try from my phone later today to see.

Nah, I don't vastly overrate your abilities, I thought it was really impressive when you got a whole grid of former Orioles. Today's grid makes it easy since there's an Orioles column but I think it can be done today, too. Seattle 2000 hits probably makes it a no-go, though.

Fujinami and Flaherty were late season pickups for a stretch drive to the pennant. They really didn't have much of anything to do with spending money. If anything, Elias' inability to let go of good prospects to pick up a quality starter is how we wound up with Flaherty. I don't think it had anything to do with Angelos not wanting to spend money for two months to secure a pennant and increase World Series chances. And no, not "literally everything" he did once the team got good was to stand in the way of success. That's just hyperbole. I will agree that he doesn't want to spend money but that's about it. Other than that, he's allowed Elias to do whatever he wants and the returns have been great.

Well I remember that time you called Frobby "an Angelos guy" so I just wanted to take cover

As much as I'd not like to agree with @Billy F-Face3about a lot of things, I do agree with his above post that JA can take credit for hiring Elias...and allowing Elias to do pretty much everything he wanted to do, especially establishing an international scouting presence which is something that didn't exist under his dad. If anyone wants to be honest here (I question that sometimes) when it comes to JA, it's usually something like "Yeah, he hired Elias, whatever," and they move on to whatever issue JA has ensnared himself in at the moment, probably something like giving a stupid interview like he did time and time again throughout 2023. But if Elias is one of the best things that's happened to this franchise, then JA needs to be recognized for hiring him. And retaining him thus far. Hiring and retaining good people isn't easy in any industry, especially in one like Major League Baseball. @Bemorewinsyou can't look at the last two seasons we've had, the amount of talent we have in the system and say that he's run this franchise into the ground. That's being intentionally obtuse. I get it, a lot of people here are hammers and all they see is nails, especially when it comes to all things Angelos. It's easy to bash them at every given turn because they've given us a lot of material to work with over the years but with JA it hasn't all been bad. He nailed the most important part of his stewardship of the franchise, everyone should be able to agree on that. If that makes me sound like some Angelos apologist as I'm sure @Tony-OHwill label me, well, so be it. I've been called worse. But I don't think I wrote any lies above. That doesn't mean I don't think that JA is a tone deaf trouser-snake cheapskate, I absolutely do think those things. He's terrible in front of the media, a microphone and a camera are his worst enemies. His cries about having to raise prices if they want to spend money on talent are stupid. He does strike me as someone who was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple, which is obnoxious. While I give him a lot of credit for hiring Elias, I am absolutely thrilled at the prospect of the Orioles being sold and the Angelos family going away like a fart in the wind.

It’s adorable that you think the answer for a generational talent is Dylan Cease.

I would guess anywhere from 6-8 months. Snyder announced he was considering selling in November of ‘22, it was finalized in July. He had a lot to clean up, too. Also depends if an MLB team can transfer ownership in the middle of the season. Dunno if there are rules about that.

That's absolutely correct.

1. You're free to speculate as much as you want, this is true. But asking questions and pointing to things like "he made a lot of money in the defense industry" isn't evidence of anything. In regards to the bin Laden family, they're a very well off, very prosperous family. They're, like, Saudi royals and pretty westernized, some of them are Swiss citizens and, IIRC, some of them were living in the States, too. Osama bin Laden was the black sheep of the family to put it lightly. So to try and draw some connection to Rubenstein to Osama bin Laden and 9/11 by asking questions is a bit silly. Sins of the brother/father and all that, but whatever. On the flip side, I just came across an article where Carlyle brought in none other than Colin Powell for a speaking engagement in 2000. 2. I don't know if I've ever heard of anyone ever donating money to the government. I mean, I pay taxes and everything but I've never heard of anyone "donating" to the government. Unless you're talking about his donations to the Kennedy Center (receives federal funding for certain things), the National Zoo, repairing the Washington Monument, repairs at Arlington National Cemetary, and to the National Park Foundation. If by "donating" to the government you're highlighting these things...well, what's the problem? In regards to working for the government, I don't know if that was actually the case. It looks like while he was a policy advisor to Jimmy Carter, he also worked in a private practice in DC. It's hard to tell if he was actually paid by the US government as an employee of the government. 3. Fine. I don't see the harm here. 4. I am not curious about these things. What people do to earn their money and how they do it isn't really much of my business. It appears that you're insinuating (look at me putting words in your mouth!) that things were done illegally or done with a blind eye, as if Rubenstein was greasing some palms along the way. But I don't think you get to the level that he's at by doing things flat out illegally. Like @Sports Guysaid, maybe cutting some corners, but to make like he's some shady, nefarious businessman seems to be a bit of a reach. From everything I've been able to surmise about him this afternoon, he seems to be someone who's done things on the up-and-up and who's also philanthropic. I'm assuming he gets along with both sides of the aisle in DC. If you look at his Wikipedia page at the list of affiliations, he's affiliated with everything from Bloomberg to Harvard University to the Kennedy Center to Johns Hopkins to Sloan Kettering to the National Gallery of Art and the Smithsonian Foundation. I'm not a gambling man but I'd bet that you don't get all of the honors and awards he's received and all of the chair positions and committee positions he holds by being some shady, corrupt individual. There's a chance he's Bernie Madoff, too, but that's an outlier. So pardon me while I put the lampshade back on my head and dance around naked at the impending demise of the Angelos ownership.

That's right. For some reason I thought they'd started in the mid 70s.

Sure. Here's your post: A few things to clarify: 1. You've mentioned gross corruption several times in regards to Rubenstein. Where's the concrete evidence that Rubenstein is corrupt both as an individual and as a partner in the Carlyle Group? 2. What's interesting about his career arc to you? 3. Why does it seem unfathomable to you (there I am, putting words in your mouth!) that a government lawyer could start a VC fund in DC and become a billionaire? 4. What did you mean by a "a tidy little loop"? If this "tidy little loop" is some sort of a "gotcha!" moment, what's the "gotcha!"?

Nope, I'd never do that. I think I just wanted some clarification on what you said but since you can't do that you resort to accusing me of what you love to do. But while we're being honest, I absolutely DO want to celebrate the demise of Angelos' ownership. But I'm not asking anyone to get naked, you freak.

You leapt from he started as a government lawyer to starting a VC to becoming a billionaire without really painting a timeline for anything, leading one to believe that you might have thought that he acquired his wealth quickly and somehow nefariously. You found his "arc" interesting but declined to say why.

Oooo ooo! I grew up in DC, too! I went to high school there! Tell me how the town works! Are you going to lead with "follow the money"? That's always a good line.

It would be pretty awesome if he did. This is where I can get down with SG's "so what?" outlook on life.

I never said you said that you said you were panicked. However, that's how you came across (a slight exaggeration on my part but I can't help myself). But I'm glad we can agree that his age and chance to pass on in the next 10 years was your initial concern. For your information, the Supreme Court has roundly rejected prior restraint, so you certainly do have the right to be skeptical about Rubenstein or anyone else and voice those opinions. I do love it when people talk about their rights as if someone is trying to take them away. I'm just pointing out how silly you are.